Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fun idea. Given the apparent popularity of HAMs at the moment they make a nice alternative.

Would be nice if Typhoon ship bonuses worked for the BS-sized module ;)

It looks like someone has been playing World of Tanks too much. I was wondering when 'auto loaders' would make an appearance.

This change is crap.



Of course ! The missile system as it is as a whole is bad, that's the problem.
Because, and it was extensively demonstrated on the article of TMC, currently Cruise missiles are SNIPE ammo, and Torpedoes are BS + Structure sized only. There is NO WEAPON that is able to deal with BCs and smaller. The problem is not about RHML being overpowered : if they are more powerful then cruise or torp it's simply because there is no BS sized missiles to fill the role. A role that precisely happen in 90% of the situations in PvP. When did you see a BS missile ship being used in pvp for the last time ?

RLML and RHML are the only weapons enabling missile ships to decently engage in pvp when they believe that there will be smaller ships. Not because there will be ONLY smaller ships, but because they know that one single smaller ship will be able to tank them for the eternity due to the way missiles work.

As such, and even if it's an interesting idea, this change will simply make RLML and RHML useless. Who would bother choosing a weapon system that, MAYBE, will help them kill smaller ships (because either they will kill them with or without this change, or either they won't) but will CERTAINLY make them loose the rest of the time ? This is also an indirect buff to buffer tanking, since the only concern is to tank the incoming damage for 50 seconds before getting 40 seconds of freedom which means basically a free kill (no missile ship is really tanky except the drake, and he was nerfed).

So, what does this tell us ? Cruiser and BS-sized missiles are crap in pvp, because they aren't effective against smaller targets, even with stasises. Whereas large turret ships can do wonders with stasises.
The way target painters work is, as well, an heresy. How do you make a difference when the debuff is a percentage ? By nature this means that against smaller ships, non-bonused TP are irrelevant.

My proposal :
1- Make speed more relevant than sig radius for damage calculations below a certain speed threshold (or for close-range missiles). So that if you make the ennemi ship motionless you don't need TPs.
2- Make Sig radius more relevant than speed for damage calculations above a certain speed threshold (or for long-range missiles). So that target painting becomes a wiser choice against fast targets.
1 & 2 preserve some love for the decision making, while enabling a new wide array of uses for long-range missiles. (Do anyone here use cruise missiles currently ? ^^')
3- Sized target painters ? 1nm, 10nm, 100nm (random numbers) target painters ! When a battleship target paints a frigate with its big ray, it should increase the sig radius accordingly to the size of weapons he is using. It also prevents abuses with small and fast frigates being used to support cruise missiles snipers.
4- New hybrid-damage missiles types ! (50%/50%) Caldaris's kinetic bonuses only applies if the missile is making 50 or 100% of its damage in kinetic (but apply to both damages). There is still the race's favorite damage, but you cannot just fill the kinetic resist and be assured that it will work perfectly against missiles and still very decently against hybrids. Keep the 10sec reload time of course.
5- No new increase in missile DPS ! Above changes make damage application easier, but paper DPS should remain the same.
6- Upgrade F.O.F ammo to make them actually useful. OR delete them entierly and create a ship-wide FOF toggle if you prefer. At the expense of missile sig radius so that you cannot just FOF if a frigate runs by and oneshot it, but you can still say NO to the nasty ship ECMing you. The ennemy fleet will have to think and manage who is the closest ship from you if they manage to jam a missile ship.
7- With these changes, what happens to RLMLs and RHMLs ? Well imho it would be better to leave them in their previous state without the 40sec cooldown. EDIT : Actually since others missiles would be more useful, RHML and RLMLs could keep their niche of burst dps with this 40sec CD.

I think they'll still be fine, to be honest. You'll be dealing out substantially more DPS at the outset, which should clear out a few additional targets before having to reload.


Indeed. With the range it can operate at, it makes it well-suited for quick strikes - utilizing the MWD to pull back while reloading. And it has fairly decent cargo capacity as well.

i have a good proposal. buff HML application to the level of HAMS. and lets start talking again

this is false you need a certain ammount off missiles/ships. The #ships you kill before reload depends on clipsize not dps.
the clipsize is smaller therefore youll kill less before reload.

Ive been playing on and off for about a year now. These last few weeks I have just started grinding L2s. I actually just got my first BC. (Drake)

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If Defender missiles actually worked, it would be funny to see how this would affect them.

curius idea, i'm excited to try them out.

This. There's a reason artillery is so popular despite having lower DPS than the other LR turrets.