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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Maaloc
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#521 - 2013-11-08 16:30:48 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Carnip wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?



You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.

Can't blame you, it's not your fault that some people can't read or put 3 latest reports on community.eveonline.com together.
Jaiiny
Doomheim
#522 - 2013-11-08 16:30:48 UTC
aFETR WE WNET TO SEE THEM AT LAG FLYING BLOODING GATES!


I MEANER WTF DID I EO THIS THING HERE.


NO THANING YOU CECEP GET OUT

REALLY? NO BOTHER FOR US!XXXXXX
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
#523 - 2013-11-08 16:33:12 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Didn't think CCP would come up with more ways to drive players away from PVP and nullsec.

I think you might like the irony that this was run right after New Player Training Session that had combat basics as its theme. In the end of it new players were encouraged to join in the event, with CCP Eterne telling that 90% would probably survive it. I suppose he had inkling that the event would end before the new players would get to low/null.

As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#524 - 2013-11-08 16:33:29 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. Having 4-5 official streams up only serves to confuse the population as to which is which and what they need to watch. Instead they could all view one site and read a short 160 character message to get the information. I would rather them not have streamed this, having multiple streams going is a bad idea. You may tune into the stream AFTER the message was stated and not know still. At least a tweet is in black and white text and people can read as they come to the site, instant information.


What about some in game spread of information? like, calendar, evegate, liveevent channel, whateverthefuck is pertaining to the game we're playing instead of some half-assed attempt at communicating through a social media that isn't part and parcel of the EVE experience.
The fact it's public it's perfectly irrelevant: you have to be on twitter and following CCP to be aware of their tweets, whether they are public or not.
disasteur
disasterous industries
#525 - 2013-11-08 16:34:06 UTC
Jaiiny wrote:
aFETR WE WNET TO SEE THEM AT LAG FLYING BLOODING GATES!


I MEANER WTF DID I EO THIS THING HERE.


NO THANING YOU CECEP GET OUT

REALLY? NO BOTHER FOR US!XXXXXX



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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#526 - 2013-11-08 16:38:35 UTC
This thread is pretty amazing.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#527 - 2013-11-08 16:41:59 UTC
#grrrrgoons

#420yoloswag4jesus

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David Kir
Hotbirds
#528 - 2013-11-08 16:44:48 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
#grrrrgoons

#420yoloswag4jesus


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Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#529 - 2013-11-08 16:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyktor Abyss
I went with the blob from Meves.

It was really poor, and my take on it is that CCP missed a chance to get people (from all of Eve) excited about the new content in Rubicon.

Some critical mistakes / suggestions:

1. Starting in High Sec - and then moving to a staging point still in High Sec while we suffer 10% TiDi is nothing but a demonstration of how bad the game is when lots of players actually want to be in the same system.

2. Communication - the Orders/ Aims / Objectives of each fleet were not set out - Some guy in local in yellow saying 'go here' is crud (especially after he gets podkilled or lost half way to desination) - Make a channel with orders/commands text from the Event actors etc only - dont let people talk in that channel so communication is clear [If you dont want to do voice comms].

3. Allowing players to actually see the new content (event site) - Using either a wormhole or jump bridge and then perhaps a minute or 5 cease fire in the target location (ghost site or whatever so people can see the new content) before letting all hell break lose at least would make people welping stuff feel like they had seen something worthwhile.

There were many more minor issues, but those are the main ones.

I lost a Navy Omen and knew i would - I have no issue with that. The issue I have is that the event (and some previous events I've been to) was a complete waste of time - didn't get to see anything in the Ghost Site I warped into before being instapopped - didn't have any idea of what we were supposed to be doing other than 'head here' commands coralling us in for a turkey shoot. All the while taking up 3-4 hours of my play time.

I can understand all the rage of those folks new to the game or events especially - it really was a terrible experience for the majority when they probablty had high hopes of a 'Rubicon' teaser event . After 8 years playing I didn't expect much to be honest, but was still left disappointed. Cheers.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#530 - 2013-11-08 16:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
The best LIVE Event so far that CCP have organised that everyone in EVE could be a part of with no TiDi or Null Blocs screwing people over was...

* Drum Roll Please *




Sanctuary Image Contest

That's because:

1) CCP had no involvement other than posting clear concise information in an organised form in good time
2) CCP had no involvement
3) CCP had no involvement
4) You can see where it's going...

I only completed Week 1 but it was a lot of fun...and all because CCP had no involvement other than posting clear concise information in an organised form in good time.

EDIT:

Oh and that you had 7 days to complete your objectives so you weren't hitting the same systems\gates\areas all at the same time like lambs to the slaughter like last nights farce. I'd suggest that CCP run LIVE Events like this but extend the time from 7 days to 30 days. This will:

1) Give all players a chance to complete\participate\compete
2) Discourage Null Blocs to permanently camp a route that maybe published
3) Extends LIVE Events so you could have several going on without any interaction with CCP required as we seem to be quite sure that this is what works best. Capsuleers, we'll do our thing and CCP can just do theirs. It's a formula that works I think
Andvari Hljomalind
THE MATHONIAN EMPIRE
#531 - 2013-11-08 16:58:53 UTC
As usual, NullSec circle-jerks en masse while missing the point entirely ^_^


The idea of a collision between HighSec and NullSec players and npcs is an interesting premise, albeit a daunting one!

The idea of hundreds of players arriving in a staging system, on time, and traveling for hours to find that the event ended long before they could arrive? C'mon guys, really.

I prefer constructive criticism, so off the top of my head:

1) For events of this scale, treat time-dilation as an inevitability, not a possibility. To me, there is no shame in acknowledging reasonable technical limitations.

2) If the nodes can't be reinforced in time for something like this, consider distributing the load. Pirate factions are dispersed throughout New Eden - had this scenario played out in 4 - 6 different locations, with varied mixes of Empire and Pirate npcs at each, I think it could have been really great. More like a coordinated Interpol takedown operation, less like 2000 Jack Bauers charging into Mogadishu with a handgun and no cell service.

3) Never, EVER, change the venue an hour before the party. Nothing good will come of it.


That's my 2 Isk anyway. I appreciate the intent, the process just needs to be examined! More planning, less improve!

All the same, thanks for your efforts CCP!
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#532 - 2013-11-08 17:16:53 UTC
Alright, since CCP is actually monitoring this thread let's not lead to a situation where only crying is heard, all right?

First of all - the bad:

- Making a lengthy route through tidi for the hisec force. It's bad, alright - 0.0 folk that are used to tidi may prefer fighting in tidi to blackscreening, but "HEY CHECK IT OUT I'M WARPING SLOMO!" gets old after three jumps. Let alone twenty.
- Communication, from what I've heard - even EVE Voice or a moderated channel where only FCs post. Comms are crucial to fleet operation.

Second of all: The good.

I'll just be frank: CCP let us play the way we want to play. It wasn't a scripted event where wtfpwn ships spawn to blap us all off the field. We were informed of the incoming hisec-supporting fleets and chose to form up to, to quote, "Punch CONCORD in the spacehorse". We weren't stopped for the sake of sightseeing or rigging the event.

They didn't sweeten what nullsec is, no cherry on top of a big pile o' hurt. Sort of, 'welcome to null, empire dwellers. This is what awaits your little empires when they overstep their bounds'.

Plus, hey, it was hilariously fun! People who survived on our side report fun was present. People who died report that despite dying, they had fun and would have fun again gladly.

The ugly:

Timeeezooooneeeeees.

It's unavoidable, really. You can't run this on a weekend night because CCP is a company - if you're working 9-to-5 on EVE every day for a week, you're probably playing something else on weekend or spending time with your family instead. Still it very much sucks that a lot of USTZ folks missed the event. (We had two lucky guys that are US and could attend, one got himself an Aurora/Slave pod but that leaves a lot of people behind.)

Proud pilot of the Imperium

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Random McNally
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#533 - 2013-11-08 17:17:33 UTC
Lotta love in this thread.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Rubicon the beginning of breaking away ties from the factions?

*Looks at calendar....yep, Rubicon comes out in a week or so.*

*Looks at the NPC Actor actions and saw how they hung the players out to dry*

One would think that those kooky viking devs were setting the factions up for some hostility.

Go figure.

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LexaLloyd II
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#534 - 2013-11-08 17:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: LexaLloyd II
Haven't had this great of a read on the forums since the welcome Mintchip Dev thread. Keep the tears coming!

Pirate
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#535 - 2013-11-08 17:21:03 UTC
Nice fun killing off the Concord defenders slowboating through lowsec for them to never arrive at their destination. Some pretty good kills/massacres to be had.

However, from a story point of view, this was utter crap and CCP should feel very bad about it. Nothing story-relevant happened or was allowed to happen because of CCP's inability to let only appropriate people know about what was going to happen. Hanging a lantern on such a story-driven event is just a big invitation sign for CFC and other 00-densities to mess up the Event. Moreover, not reinforcing the route to the destinations and letting people travel dozens of jumps in highest Tidi is a thing that CCP should have avoided. Amarr was population capped with only 1,000 people in local, for example. This is unacceptable. Again: CCP should feel bad for this major wastage of time and for deliberately feeding players to stupid other players who have no intention to allow good gameplay.

-1 for this.

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Petar Harad
Justified and Ancient
#536 - 2013-11-08 17:21:06 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Twitter is a universal means of viewing information.
uhm....no, it isn't. Not when it's about information needed in-game.

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David Kir
Hotbirds
#537 - 2013-11-08 17:26:48 UTC
Petar Harad wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Twitter is a universal means of viewing information.
uhm....no, it isn't. Not when it's about information needed in-game.


Still, it comes in handy when you've got to post a pic of those fries you ate on the fringe of Andromeda.

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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#538 - 2013-11-08 17:34:40 UTC
I post a lot in ISG and really enjoy the lore aspect of the game. I really wanted to participate but as I have a full-time job in North America that precluded me from participating. This was really prime-time for folks living in time zones from the Iberian peninsula to the Urals. I've now read all your posts and tbh I'm glad I didn't attend.

I really enjoy the lore aspect but honestly, when it comes to actually playing this game I can't possibly see how the empires came to exist. Being so badly managed they should have been wiped out ages ago.

So to summarize what CCP accomplished with their "come defend the empire" event...

You sent the high-sec European player base to be gang-raped by the null-sec European player base.

You have demonstrated that your staff is far better qualified at coding games than playing them.

Your next CCP "organized event" will be met with howls of laughter and the sound of crickets...

Frankly, I really don't understand CCP's motives... to have "fun"? To mess with the European player base? To advance the game Lore? IMO you accomplished none of those things.

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disasteur
disasterous industries
#539 - 2013-11-08 17:37:12 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
I post a lot in ISG and really enjoy the lore aspect of the game. I really wanted to participate but as I have a full-time job in North America that precluded me from participating. This was really prime-time for folks living in time zones from the Iberian peninsula to the Urals. I've now read all your posts and tbh I'm glad I didn't attend.

I really enjoy the lore aspect but honestly, when it comes to actually playing this game I can't possibly see how the empires came to exist. Being so badly managed they should have been wiped out ages ago.

So to summarize what CCP accomplished with their "come defend the empire" event...

You sent the high-sec European player base to be gang-raped by the null-sec European player base.

You have demonstrated that your staff is far better qualified at coding games than playing them.

Your next CCP "organized event" will be met with howls of laughter and the sound of crickets...

Frankly, I really don't understand CCP's motives... to have "fun"? To mess with the European player base? To advance the game Lore? IMO you accomplished none of those things.



well they almost did it... they want people to move to low/null and a lot came to the event... shame tough they forgot to close the gates :)
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#540 - 2013-11-08 17:44:32 UTC
ALPHA flyorDie wrote:
Black Canary Jnr wrote:
ALPHA flyorDie wrote:
1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS


I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin!


Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones?

And who brought their shiny ratting ships out?

No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued.

Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems.


i was talking about clone jumping to a empty clone and loss sp from the lack of implants i did not die in the event just went 25 jumps in ti di and wasted 5 hours to get dc when i was 1 jump into null and then could not relog for 20 mins so i missed the fight and to me it was a wast of time and sp

And yes this was the poor planning all around

CCP why DO you Hate us so much ?


Why does CCP hate us so much?
Pretty simple answer.
CCP is now dominated by those that believe "null sec cartels the players of consequence, the rest are there to serve the cartel leaderships' whims".

A natural progression when you hire all your devs from null sec cartels.