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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#501 - 2013-11-08 15:54:03 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


This "misunderstanding" statement is just like that still unresolved situation where one of your GMs declared that we could be banned for impersonating ourselves. Then another GM had to come along and "clear up one little misunderstanding" of the playerbase in a transparent overruling of the first GM; link. Once again, there is no misunderstanding on our part; it's you at CCP that doesn't understand. CCP should be very thankful that their product is so unique because your arrogance and lack of communication would be extremely bad if you had any viable competitors.
Tripden
Modern Ancient Virtual Reality
#502 - 2013-11-08 15:54:25 UTC
I was there,to participate on the biggest Fail LIve Event Eve online ever since its made!
CCP u dont give a f.. what your players says,u worry only about PLEX and some new background pixel images called "new expansion" .
Question CCP&null-lowsec doctrineArrow let the players to decide what they want to play in this game EVE Online
Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#503 - 2013-11-08 15:54:30 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
Havent done the event cause i was expecting something similar like this. My question is why you didnt used a highsec titan to bridge every 1 to the target destination? This would had eliminated the need for travel and get the highsec people stright into action and some sight seeing a titan. Youve could aswell spawned a wormhole to the target destination but that wouldnt look as cool as getting titan bridged.


That would have made the hours of warping and utter confusion worth it, especially for a noob like me who has never even seen a titan in the game let alone been bridged into a fleet battle by oneBig smile. On the other hand I have blundered into many gate camps, and they were never fun, not even the first time... especially not the first time.

We should have been given more information, why didn't they just tell us we would be going to nul a few hours before the event started, the more experienced pilots could have given us newer players a heads up on what to expect there, and what type of ships to bring. The local and event channels should have been full of fleet adverts, fitting doctrines and information direct from ccp about what exactly was happening. Instead it was full of conflicting information and people wondering what the hell was going on, and with no input from games masters or any officials we were left wondering if the information was legit or just wumming.

NPC navies could have provided support in the form of titans which high sec alliances don't have access to, for example when a fleet (run by a proper eve fleet commander, not some ccp desk jockey) got a few hundred members a titan could have been provided to bridge them into the system at the appointed time. In faction warfare adhoc fleets of disparate people with varying skills are formed up regularly for roams etc, fleet commanders tell us what type of ships they want and there is usually a role even low sp characters can fill. Those fleets are a good laugh even when they end in disaster... this thing was anything but fun. No doubt we were never going to be a match for nulsec alliances, but it could have been a good experience for everyone involved, and really peaked a lot of peoples interest in large fleet warfare. The load could have been spread out across multiple systems to keep TiDi at a minimum outside the system where the actual event was happening. What we got was thousands of uninformed, and unprepared pubbies funneled into nulsec gate camps to be humiliated. If it had been done properly I would have went with the fleet got popped, immediately re shipped and tried to find another fleet so i could get back into it, instead of a few hundred kills nul seccers might have had thousands of kills and almost everyone would have been happy.
disasteur
disasterous industries
#504 - 2013-11-08 15:57:18 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Carnip wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?



You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.



im pretty sure goonswarm loves u all at CCP :)
Nico Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#505 - 2013-11-08 15:58:05 UTC
LOL at nullnoobs.. You carebear in nullsec anomalies even more then highsec players, be honest about it Cool

I for my part, am angry at CCP not at that FUBAR gatecamp with sniping drones asigned monkeys :)

What was the point of that event?
Where was the content?
Why should all the highsec players help Empires forces?

Good job CCP and good job CFC blue donut.
And nullbears, dont lie to yourself that you do this everyday, cause nullsec is dead and you know it..
All i see are empty systems, lots of them. If a neutral shows in local you just dock up in station or hide in POS.

Im glad i unsubed all my 3 accounts. Im burned out and dissapointed Oops
All i say is "Keep up the awoxing CCP. EA will gladly make EVE a FREE to PLAY game"


KILL LOCAL FROM ALL SYSTEMS! Twisted

Goodbye at STAR CITIZEN :)

P.S.:
For the haters.. i dont give a flying F*** about any of your posts and if you think i do, then watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Bobmich Crobnich
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#506 - 2013-11-08 16:03:42 UTC
Just going to add to my previous post on page 12, that although CCP need to organize things better, a few lols were had. This was the Meves fleet doing it's first fleet warp, something which my friend had not done before and enjoyed :P

http://youtu.be/9YlzR_6KKaQ
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#507 - 2013-11-08 16:04:50 UTC
ALPHA flyorDie wrote:
1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS


I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin!


Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones?

And who brought their shiny ratting ships out?

No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued.

Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#508 - 2013-11-08 16:05:20 UTC
Something tells me I missed another live event due to being USTZ...

Something tells me that I didn't miss much and CCP petition que is overloaded by now...

...

Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#509 - 2013-11-08 16:08:40 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Carnip wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?



You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.


How many alts do you have in the CFC?

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Sladislov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#510 - 2013-11-08 16:09:33 UTC
Thank you ccp for now also directly messing with your playerbase.

10/10 i love you

       Sladislov Director of Silly semantics       Broksi Kurth    xXxBlack LegionxXx

Octoven
Stellar Production
#511 - 2013-11-08 16:09:40 UTC
Celia Therone wrote:
Octoven wrote:
The only other comment I have is for players knowing if it were null sec run. We certainly knew that, I flipping knew that thats why my omen had a MJD, The time the announced you could fight with the pirates and the empires were taking an offensive action against pirates, and the two null systems as pirate staging areas...those are all common sense clues. If no one understood that...thats their own fault.

I am pretty sure that your Omen did not have a MJD. The Omen being a cruiser and the MJD module being limited to battleships, black ops and marauders?


You are correct I intended on saying MWD...so many acronymns its easy to get turned round :P an error in posting :D
ALPHA flyorDie
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#512 - 2013-11-08 16:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ALPHA flyorDie
Black Canary Jnr wrote:
ALPHA flyorDie wrote:
1 and last event I will ever do Thanks ccp for nothing I wasted 5 hours just to get dc and dropped from fleet for 20 mins and then have to fly back to hi sec wasted time wasted sp and all the tidi THANKS


I WANT MY SP BACK FOR THIS WASTED EVENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you CCP FOR making me rage I will never do a event you hold agin!


Hands up, which idiots lost SP from not updating their clones?

And who brought their shiny ratting ships out?

No sympathy for the chumps, they saw the low sec warning and continued.

Bad plan on CCPs part having everyone go through so many systems.


i was talking about clone jumping to a empty clone and loss sp from the lack of implants i did not die in the event just went 25 jumps in ti di and wasted 5 hours to get dc when i was 1 jump into null and then could not relog for 20 mins so i missed the fight and to me it was a wast of time and sp

And yes this was the poor planning all around

CCP why DO you Hate us so much ?
Octoven
Stellar Production
#513 - 2013-11-08 16:21:38 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


Movements announced on Twitter?

So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online?

As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics.

Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost.

Twitter, jeez...


Just to clarify you don't NEED a twitter account to view tweets posted by eve devs. They are fully public viewed just as this website is. The fact that you have no idea of it is irrelevant. After all if we follow your logic then this website is not NEEDED to play a game either, it (like twitter) is a means of disseminating useful news and information. Only a tweet is far much faster to deliver than posting on a web site.

O'drwex Dythoni wrote:
CCP.
Next time make a twitch stream out of it. or atleast a pre-recorded video.
maybe some stat cams on the stream where you expect ppl to be meatgrinded.
But not a DAMN TWIT, information and communication was the lamest ever, ppl barely knew what to do.
This so called ' event ' wasnt worth my time, but i was verry excited about it before it started.

-note. i survived this event, so i'm not crying about a few bil loss-


Twitter is a universal means of viewing information. Having 4-5 official streams up only serves to confuse the population as to which is which and what they need to watch. Instead they could all view one site and read a short 160 character message to get the information. I would rather them not have streamed this, having multiple streams going is a bad idea. You may tune into the stream AFTER the message was stated and not know still. At least a tweet is in black and white text and people can read as they come to the site, instant information.
Jamison
Southern Gothic
#514 - 2013-11-08 16:26:28 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Carnip wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?



You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.


Lets take a look at some of the times involved with this live event.

Say for the sake of argument there were 1300 players (a conservative number in my opinion) that had to travel for 2 hours each, total of 2600 man hours spent.

1 person goes to work for 8 hours a day for 1 year and doesn't take a day off, total 2080 man hours spent.

Amount of time the live team spent on this event "I had the strangest dream last night, we should fly a bunch of highsec players into nul, I don't have any reason why, lets just tell them its a secret when we get there"
Veldar Reku
Wu Xi Holdings
#515 - 2013-11-08 16:26:37 UTC
CCP, really??


  1. carebears wouldn't even have the capability of setting up their overviews as to know who is friendly and who is shooting them
  2. TiDi warping 25 jumps..... why?


Advice:


  1. actively lead the fleets with NPC toons
  2. . have supers and caps, even if nothing else, as a distraction for the 0.0 people and use them to shoot any enemy caps that drop in (for the lols)
  3. use titans to bridge cabears into 0.0


But above all, tell carebears what alliances are defending the enemy system so they can at very least set standings to shoot appropriate people..

They will all die anyway, but at least it will not be soo terrible. Entertainment is being part of a fight and the longer you survive, the more fun it is. What happened was anti-fun and completely opposite of how Luminaire event was planned and executed.
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#516 - 2013-11-08 16:26:49 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.


Thanks for your note. In order to correct the perceived misunderstandings and lack of information, it would be best if you issued your clarifications in as many channels as possible -- including your social media. Because there is a lot of grief going on about this, and if you have an explanation or a clarification or an apology to make, it's best to get the word out ASAP and as publicly as possible.

Of course, continued silence will perpetuate the perception that this was WAI.
Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#517 - 2013-11-08 16:26:56 UTC
Maybe CCP should start with mining events of 6 - 12 people and work there way up from there.

I mean it's apparent they can't organize anything of any real size.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#518 - 2013-11-08 16:26:59 UTC
Didn't think CCP would come up with more ways to drive players away from PVP and nullsec.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.

Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#519 - 2013-11-08 16:28:54 UTC
Fourteen Maken wrote:
What we got was thousands of uninformed, and unprepared pubbies funneled into nulsec gate camps to be humiliated. If it had been done properly I would have went with the fleet got popped, immediately re shipped and tried to find another fleet so i could get back into it, instead of a few hundred kills nul seccers might have had thousands of kills and almost everyone would have been happy.


I second this and I think it's a very precise description. After two hours of being fooled around I got popped and went off. Waited out my timer and logged off to do something that at least felt meaningful.
If I had a chance to actually FIGHT, I would've taken another ship and gone back.

Also, CCP_Goliath: to be honest I don't think you're making it any better. The comments so far have been a blatant praise on the least informative or representative post in the bunch, and some cookie dropped here to say "hey we're reading".
Nice and well, but there have been some pretty bad accusations against CCP for this event and I for one would really love to see what the fart was in your minds - lambs to the slaughter seems more and more appropriate the more i read on.
As mentioned, I am pretty much ready to be humiliated by players who actually have the same chances I have and show to be better; much less ready to be the fool for people I pay.
Much beyond the "lesson learnt" post, I want CCP to state right out why the worked the event like they did and what goal did it serve. And if the **** up is as big as it looks, apologies would be in order. I for one will respect a "we botched it sorry" much more than a "well it wasn't that bad" or any other marketing attempt.

Don't get me wrong - you've got a great game and CCP is doing better than any game company I've had the misfortune to deal with (Cryptic gets the prize for the most incompetent, imbecile, annoying one).
But this... has been annoying.
z Flint
z Mining Corp
#520 - 2013-11-08 16:29:11 UTC
Found the Event to be one big cluster.

First event attended.

Last event attended.