Player Features and Ideas Discussion

your absolutely right about the problem
sadly its a result of speed to signature ratio of the ships which you cant change cause it would have impact on much more than missiles.
you cant change the amo stats it self to widen the bandwidth of dmg appliance. (youd only move it)

so the only thing left would be to introduce a new factor into the formula which will proof very dificult if not impossible without major disturbances of balance untill all missiles are rebalanced again.

so the pragmatic part of me says "hey its not that broken that i'd have to try and fix it."

You shoud l use your brian and calcualte how much damage you can dish with ALL missiles ina cerberus for example (the ship that effectively mos tuse rapid launchers). 20 k damage.. no matter how you stagger it. You are just somethign lauguable. You will VERY rappdly brign your enemy to low armor.. then do nothing.. until he gets away or kills you.


That is NOT good!

Ever heard of the rabbit and the turtle child story? You know wich one won at the end?

question does this mean the velocity/sig radius ship bonus will now work?

also i think PL are upset by the change cuss they were going to use ravens to kill tech III ships when they are in heavy tidi. this change kinda upsets thier plans.

though i think the idea is neat... perhaps there could be a skill added that reduces the reload time by 2 seconds per level. that way at lev V reload is only 30 seconds.

Its a matter of targets. this change shifts the RLML and RHML from being frontline omgwtf application all the time! weapons into something designed to slaughter fleet support ships.

consider... softer things. things which tend to survive through use of range and/or sig tanking. interceptors, ABC's, logi cruisers, Recons... there's all kinds of targets which could be scrubbed from the field in a rather short time frame with this idea.

you're dumping a rather large amount of damage onto these traditionally tricksy targets in a very short time frame, with frankly absurd damage application with the numbers involved. its like a slightly different form of alpha weapon with no need to worry about arty tracking... its really odd yet... cool.

I'm not saying that these are perfect in their current form, don't get me wrong, but the potential of this concept is astounding.


I'm very much intrigued.

Or you could just use an actual dps ship to kill all of those except the interceptor, and do more dps, and then continue doing more dps instead of reloading for 40s.

well its certainly a change

guess we're gonna have t disband the Church of the Rapid Light tho

40 second reload time?

Are you ******* kidding me.

This is beyond ********.

No, it will be more like ASBs: you'll fit them to suicide gimmick ships so that you can run into a gang, get tackled, kill a dictor or expensive frigate absurdly quickly, and then die in a fire since you'll be out of charges and still tackled. This has been CCP's new ideal for small gang / solo PvP for a while now :\

A 40 second reload choice is unplayable. The only reason why RLM's are use don every ship, is because the balance team in its infinite wisdom nerfed HML's into the ground. HAM's have always had horrible DPS application. Those systems are simply unplayable, so people were forced into RLMs.

Currently the RHML you have proposed, is just HML's that shoot slightly faster- with no added velocity / application bonus. This means that RHML's are bad, and will continue to be sub par to cruise missiles due to the inherent weakness built into the ammo, thanks to your previous round of 'balancing.'

RLML's with a 40 second reload time is simply going to be suicide. Small gang or solo pilots will not be able to fly these ships, due to the fact- that in those kind of PvP situations 40 seconds is an eternity. Not being able to shoot anything, and being at a large risk of becoming tackled from light ships with out the inability to shoot back is really poor game design.

Giving RLML's and RHMLs this option is not providing any meaning full alternative to game play/

As it stands now, if this horrible idea goes through- the only way to play with these ships would be this:

Split your weapon stack into two equal groups. Group A starting shooting, and once A is on reload- begin shooting group B. That way you can at least be doing some DPS during your eternity of a reload. The flaws in this game play design are as follows:

1. It is not intuitive to younger players
2. Doesn't open up any additional options, other than making a ship have anemic DPS, with the innability to change missile type or ammo type mid battle
3. Does not provide a realistic alternative to HMLs / HAM's as a usable weapon system

RLM's and cruise are the only missiles systems that are working (kind of) in the current PvP meta. Don't take away more Missiles with a rashly proposed design idea, with little to no community feed back- and force it into a new expansion.

This is a horrible change, and I feel that if you were wanting to make changes to RLML, make HML and HAM missiles usable. Then RHML's might actually have some use in game, and you can have an alternative to RLML's.

The reload time is an absolutely terrible idea. Missiles are 100% damage type specific. Reloading to change damage type is already slow at 10 seconds. Now it will not even be an option. There is no way to compensate for this without reconsidering the bonuses on every ships that these launchers could possibly be mounted on. The can of worms that you are attempting to open is too large to be handled safely.

At the very least keep RLMLs the same. They are not in need of changes.