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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#481 - 2013-11-08 14:57:49 UTC
A prime example of how kicthen sink fleets...suck.

After reading what went down I do sympathise with the high-sec peeps, the so called "FC's" made some proper school boy errors.

I personally would love you all to try again when you're all organised, eve should always be about good fights. 1000's of people from highsec invading nullsec has the potential to be awesome.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#482 - 2013-11-08 14:57:55 UTC
Excellent **** move CCPUgh

Leading one of my alts along with thousands of others like lambs to the slaughter.

Maybe slaughter is the best medicine to let some of us hisec dwellers know we should leave and find greener pastures in upcoming spaceship games.

I was in the official live-events channel fleet, we had 220+ armor fitted ships with logi support and a proven super general FC.

But you couldn't wait 5-10mins for us to land in the 8V-SJJ system, we were sitting on the gate ffs waiting for stragglers to arrive because of TiDi ?


Another excellent **** move CCP Ugh

And lastly if you are going to do such an event and announce it's the biggest empire fleet op since 200 years (lore),

why the hell did we still got TiDi and didn't you made proper precautions for not wasting our time traveling under that much load.

Where is the brain-in-box or other supposedly developed measures to combat this ?


You fooked up big time CCP, and I even expect you will use this Live Event as a showcase to promote the game no doubt, ignoring the feelings of small part of the community.

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
Carnip
Kaer Industries
#483 - 2013-11-08 14:58:21 UTC
Jase Fairimor wrote:
Thanks for all the tears...

I ran out of Sugar and my Cheerios were kind of bland this morning. All better now.



Wow, another baddass tough guy from FATAL ASCENSION. The greatest PVPers of all time who never ever carebear.

Please dude, hide somewhere and let your daddy goons or at least razor do the talking.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#484 - 2013-11-08 14:58:35 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
I hear the next live event involves the placing of several afk cloaky campers in every CFC botting system for six months.



Would not that be sweet.

I would seriously consider firing up on the accounts I idled to put a char in a CFC botting system 23/7, if I knew thousands others were doing it to. But of course, such an action would have swift reaction from the dev's, and hanging out cloaked in a CFC botting system, whether at the keyboard or not, would be swiftly banned.
PrincessButtercup
Miners of Moria Corp
#485 - 2013-11-08 14:58:54 UTC
I only see two types of comments here:

1) yeah bears need to die as null is so scary --- been there done that --- it aint
2) event promised to be something --- it wasn't

1) type players prob wont rant about it sucking as its pvp they do mostly and when u have ppl who expect a massive pve event jumping into a mega bubble pvp gank it will be hilarious of course, yet a total troll for the high sec players

2) whadafuq ? I mean the last time a event that got great reviews happened was the high sec titan fight,,,, low sec had the titan give away.

After playing on various toons for a decade now I must admit this "event" ranks up there with other massive cluster-F***s I have seen, thank got WoWP launches next week.
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#486 - 2013-11-08 14:59:57 UTC
EchoMasterMind wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_CfMSfYfw

Here's a short trailer for the upcoming movie of the event!


Great little video. Music doesn't really fit though.
Jase Fairimor
Doomheim
#487 - 2013-11-08 15:03:48 UTC
Carnip wrote:
Jase Fairimor wrote:
Thanks for all the tears...

I ran out of Sugar and my Cheerios were kind of bland this morning. All better now.



Wow, another baddass tough guy from FATAL ASCENSION. The greatest PVPers of all time who never ever carebear.

Please dude, hide somewhere and let your daddy goons or at least razor do the talking.




I carebear with the best of them boyo. :)

Please continue!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2013-11-08 15:05:04 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Brave Newbies are 100% adorable and 100% awesome, along with being 100% brave. Props for not chickening out and fighting, even though it didn't exactly end well for their fleet...

i haven't seen them in battle or in RL so only information source i have: forums. And this source gives very bad picture Lol

So i will keep my opinion for this time Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2013-11-08 15:14:05 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:


Stop getting mad at CCP for leading you into an ambush. CCP didn't lead you anywhere. NPC factions led you there.

NPC factions don't care about you.

my 7yo daughter doesn't believe in Santa Claus already Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Nongrat
MOON 437
#490 - 2013-11-08 15:14:56 UTC
And the award "hands from ass" goes for organizing this event.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#491 - 2013-11-08 15:21:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


That is a pathetic response, even for a first one.
In Eve terms, your response is the equivalent of Haliburton and BP after the DeepWater Horizon disaster saying to the world "thanks for your input on our environmental record, we will take it under advisement."

A few things:

1. Why not form up on the high sec staging point into low/null, so people who did not clue in that this roam was going to null immediately (I read the forces of evil post by CCP and stood down when the destination of Ihal was announced), would at least seen that from the form-up point.
2. Why was CCP announcing via Twitter destinations, as opposed to in-game.
3. Why was the Live Events channel not locked down, as they are on Sisi, when an event starts, so trolls and spies can't spread disinformation.
4. Why were clear instructions not given to use the Live Events channel as your primary source of information.
5. How could you guys not reinforce the nodes, given you knew precisely where people were going.
6. Given the size of this event, and you guys knew HOURS before 18:30 that it was going to be nuts (Sarum Prime was maxed out 70 minutes before the official kick-off time), why not pull in people to co-ordinate fleets.
7. Why not let people know that this was a null sec roam, so they ALL could fit MwD's to burn through bubbles.
8. Given that you KNEW, as any informed player would, that the null sec campers would have every planet bubbled, as well as the sun, why not have an CCP employee in every fleet as a scout providing a "relative" safespot, in the middle of deep space, as ANY competent FC would, if he knew where he was going beforehand.

9. And lastly, WHY ON EARTH SUBJECT THOUSANDS OF HIGH SEC PLAYERS TO NULL SEC IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
You ran 2 events simultaneously.. You could easily have had one in null sec, and the other in high sec, or even low sec.
But no, you set it up as a slaughterhouse for the ***** and giggles of null sec players only, knowing full well the carnage that would ensue. No matter what CCP says, your actions prove that you hate your high sec subscription base, and consider your null sec subscribers as the only ones of consequence.

Truly pathetic.


All valid points, but tbh if Goliath hasnt discussed this with the rest of the team then it would be pretty arrogant for him to assume the responsibility to providing every answer. To point number 2, that was actually a brilliant move. You see they moved the staging area to the high sec system right next to where we were going. Now the tweet read that we needed to TRICKLE over little at a time to avoid triggering TiDi in every system. I can only imagine the tweeted it to delay how many people got the message.

This actually happened to some extent, I was in the event channel and someone mentioned the tweet and told everyone to move over, some rejected it as an official message from CCP. If they had disclosed the information ingame in sarum local, all 1200 would have warped and jumped at once creating MASSIVE TiDi through the region. I got the tweet early and moved ahead of the pack. Had the assembled groups staggered their travel it would have helped. However, everyone decided to all move at once and then get pissed because of the TiDi.

The only other comment I have is for players knowing if it were null sec run. We certainly knew that, I flipping knew that thats why my omen had a MJD, The time the announced you could fight with the pirates and the empires were taking an offensive action against pirates, and the two null systems as pirate staging areas...those are all common sense clues. If no one understood that...thats their own fault.
Andy Koraka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#492 - 2013-11-08 15:22:03 UTC
Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:
THIS WAS THE WORST EVENT EVER. No ponies showed up, zero prizes were given out (I was told by a very serious source there would be a prize for best dressed--lies), and ITEMS were lost. Yes LOST. This is likely the first time in the game's history that ITEMS WERE LOST. I play EVE online, not SLAUGHTERHOUSE ONLINE.


In all honesty, I had a lot of fun watching both sides of this event on streams while at work. It was pretty entertaining to watch and I am bummed I couldn't be there. Thanks CCP!



I'm sorry, but you are incorrect in those statements. There were indeed PWWNys on field as part of the EMP fleet. They also partipated in beating the snot out of a Highsec Pinata (IE: the prize).

I hope this clarifies the situation.
Josef Djugashvilis
#493 - 2013-11-08 15:33:02 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


Movements announced on Twitter?

So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online?

As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics.

Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost.

Twitter, jeez...

This is not a signature.
Countess Lamorei
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#494 - 2013-11-08 15:33:11 UTC
A lot of, welcome to null, what did you expect...

The real question is.

What did CCP expect.
(nb obviously not all of ccp, but definitely the live event team)

Think like this.
Say your part of a large nulsec bloc, your one of the big players, you have hundreds of pilots, in doctrine ships, a solid FC team, spies and scouts.
Would you advertise an operation to the whole of EVE, with no back up, and then plan it not just next to one of the largest nulsec bloc's staging system, but plan a standard gate travel route through said system.

No.

Thats the issue for many here, quite a few of the nulseccers, when not laughing hysterically at what happened, also see this.

Now thinking pragmatically, highseccers NEEDED this kick in the butt, a wake up call of how ineffective an uncoordinated mass of pilots can be, against an enemy that does this everyday every week. Some in empire who had no clue, now are starting to realize exactly how much firepower nulsec blocks actually have, and that cfc combined fleet that decimated the highsec fleet was at a guess about 10-15% of cfc full deployment non capital strength.

From the stuff coming out, do highseccers even realize that the scrap the nul powers had after they died resulted in higher isk loss than everything they lost combined? Nope I bet they have no clue.

But how CCP got this message across... not good for the game. For me it showed 1 of 2 things, either :-
CCP is so out of touch with there own game, its mechanics, its nul politics, that they are woefully incompetent, or.
CCP literally just led a few thousand paying customers to a slowmo slaughter on purpose.

nb I live in low/nul I love this mass destruction, but seriously CCP should work on more server stability right now, didn't fanfest promise and I quote "No more Jesus features"
disasteur
disasterous industries
#495 - 2013-11-08 15:41:33 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


Movements announced on Twitter?

So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online?

As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics.

Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost.

Twitter, jeez...



lets add a facebook acount to :P

thanks for screwing up my trust years ago so i didnt participated....saves so much tears Pirate
Jamison
Southern Gothic
#496 - 2013-11-08 15:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamison
Here are a few choice quotes fro an article today about the event, you know, in case you dont have time to read it.

"In Doril there were a few attempts at fleet command by the CCP actor, but it was, basically, get out of the bubbles and warp to planet four. This would not have been a huge deal if the CCP actor had not put up an official fleet. By doing that, CCP assumed responsibility for that fleet and should have lead them accordingly."

"There is another group of players that are quite upset at the event, almost exclusively high sec players. There are a few major points that arise. The first is the travel from one system to another under maximum TiDi. The second is that the players from empire were, essentially, lead like lambs to the slaughter and almost no direction was provided to the empire participants by CCP. Lastly, the event was again, scheduled so that US players would mostly not be able to make it. None of these points are invalid."

And my favorite:

"One Goonswarm Federation fleet commander, Mister Vee remarked that ‘whoever planned this event was really f***ing naive’ as he saw the enemy ships jump in. The massacre of so many players from empire almost seemed planned and, indeed, some players are saying it was intended."

The full article can be found here: http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage

http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=644652

I know she should have jumped into a fresh clone, but looking at that and knowing what happened makes me wonder what CCP was thinking when this idea sprung up, please feel free to explain that to me Goliath.
Titus Balls
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#497 - 2013-11-08 15:45:56 UTC
disasteur wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


Movements announced on Twitter?

So, I now need a Twitter account to fully participate in Eve Online?

As they say in the industry I work in when it all starts to go pear shaped...Back to Basics.

Eve Online is a computer game first and foremost.

Twitter, jeez...



lets add a facebook acount to :P

thanks for screwing up my trust years ago so i didnt participated....saves so much tears Pirate



And now CCP are using that to punt us their €70 hoodies and €30 euro T-shirts that no one really wants or will pay that price for.

THANKS CCPBAMA
Celia Therone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2013-11-08 15:48:41 UTC
Octoven wrote:
The only other comment I have is for players knowing if it were null sec run. We certainly knew that, I flipping knew that thats why my omen had a MJD, The time the announced you could fight with the pirates and the empires were taking an offensive action against pirates, and the two null systems as pirate staging areas...those are all common sense clues. If no one understood that...thats their own fault.

I am pretty sure that your Omen did not have a MJD. The Omen being a cruiser and the MJD module being limited to battleships, black ops and marauders?
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#499 - 2013-11-08 15:50:46 UTC
Carnip wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?



You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
O'drwex Dythoni
S0utherN Comfort
#500 - 2013-11-08 15:50:53 UTC
CCP.
Next time make a twitch stream out of it. or atleast a pre-recorded video.
maybe some stat cams on the stream where you expect ppl to be meatgrinded.
But not a DAMN TWIT, information and communication was the lamest ever, ppl barely knew what to do.
This so called ' event ' wasnt worth my time, but i was verry excited about it before it started.

-note. i survived this event, so i'm not crying about a few bil loss-