Live Events Discussion

Normally I just ignore these events because it's not worth jumpcloning to hisec for a day to participate in some scripted event. But I had a newish alt and against my better judgement I went to participate in this event from the hisec side. Going into the event my expectations of CCP were very low and consisted of nothing more than:

1. I would be able to arrive in the system where the event was happening

2. I would get my ship blown up fighting other players in the event (nobody really cares about pre-scripted lore based event outcome)

Sadly, CCP failed to deliver on even these low expectations. Rather than have the event in a 0.5 and just flag all participants in system as criminals or use titan/WH transport to the desto system they chose to have everyone form up in hisec and then travel thru tidi thru known camped systems to the nullsec destination, getting everyone instablapped in the bubble camps along the way. I don't think anyone really cares that they died, I think the problem is they feel their time was completely wasted by CCP. The event was "organized" in a way that made it almost impossible to participate in the actual event.

Oh well, at least I was able to confirm that it's not worth participating in these events.

I read the original announcement. It looked exciting. Explosion in wormholes, strange information. This appeared like a great story to follow up on. Looked too good to be true. A co-op fleet? In EVE? Get serious!

Well, I decided to give it the benefit of a doubt.

I fitted a nice sniping BS to be able to enjoy the view.

Then the 2nd announcement arrives almost last moment. The event had written "fail" all over it. Reminded me of a tactic CCP followed more than 6 years ago that led an average of 60k logged ppl a day to fall down to 21k. It was bound to happen again.

I left the BS aside, mounted a tanky BC and went to Meves to make up my mind; see if it was worth it. CCP appeared in a godlike capsule (mounted with a doomsday device) issuing instructions on local, amidst a chaos of chatter. I decided not to join, but follow and observe. It was very obvious where this was headed. The map data showed that clearly. I enjoyed the TiDi as it gave me time to make a cup of coffee and read the local chatter. I didn't suffer the pain of the Ihal people, so I shouldn't complain.

Reaching the staging area of hacmon or something, can't remember it for the life of me, there were just scattered people. Still fleets. Info was erratic at best. Naturally there were the null infiltrators trying to inform their alliance corpies what's going on. A few saw the stars holding something different than their flying stick, since all technology was removed from around them.

So I started moving around systems, seeing disbanded fleets everywhere. I had no idea Ihal was coming down as well (from the totally other side of empire space). I feel bad for those people. So I headed back, reading curses on local. The storm had already begun.

Originally, the energy of the people flying together was fun. It would have been a good fight had CCP exhibited elementary organization skills. But that didn't happen. Perhaps their software is not ready for something like this.

EVE is not a game, it's a scifi life simulator. If in real life there was such bad organization like last night's experience, I don't think there are words good enough to describe the outcome.

Kudos to CCP for their technical and graphical skills. Unfortunately, I can't extend it further. Organizational & leadership skills under pressure and tight timelines is not a common trait. But I expected better choices when it comes to something of this magnitude. What happened was simply poor and immature.

From the 900 people of Meves, maybe 200 entered nullsec. I lived in the zero zone for some time in the past. Flying there with a ghost of a fractured and disorganized fleet through a chokepoint is just madness. I'm just sad of the uproar this will bring and I am seriously beginning to think that Rubicon will be a move toward a very wrong direction.

I feel lucky as I eventually spent less than a couple of hours flying. It was good social time, but in my opinion, everyone should have left the moment the "officials" started announcing "directions" over twitter. That was not organizing, that was a public photo-shoot saying "hey, look how cool I am"! Thankfully, some fleet commanders were smart enough to send people home and save them further disappointment.

Some maturity an professionalism does not hurt, CCP. Actions like this impact on a very sensitive body-part: the pocket. And I have good reason for using the word "body-part".

Until next time.

Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.

pretty sure a lot of player had a lot of fun yesterday. belive me, what you have done IS meaningfull, it is realy special.
for us.

p.s. entering 0.0 you had died anyway so enjoy your temporary importance to New Eden

"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?

yeah...the BIGGEST being the MISUNDERSTANDING that this was an ORGANIZED LIVE EVENT.

Since a Dev decided to stick his head in here, I might as well give my 2isk worth. The "Event" sound like fun...it wasn't. I've lost billions worth of ships in pvp, carriers on down, whatever. Its what this game is all about. Its just amazes me that CCP would go out of their way to humiliate 1000 subscribers like that........good job

Trii Seo - don't get me wrong. I agree with you; but you made EXACTLY my point.

I took the liberty to embolden what you mentioned, that we lacked. I got in a fleet where it took 10 minutes to get a FC - we had no logi, no scout, no tackle. Our FC did all he could, bad but we were scattered all over empire. Most people in hisec aren't used to shut up and follow orders, especially from someone you've never seen before. Communications in fleet were overwhelmed with "go to stacmon" "go to ihal" "event is in 8V" "CCP_Goliath twitted this and that". We really had no clue. WE got ordered to move to ihal, and when the counterorder came to go to stacmon we were already in 6 different systems.

To get the fleet together in stacmon took over 30 minutes due to TIDI in hisec systems. Half of our 30 men fleet left before we jumped into losec - and I don't blame them. I would've done so myself, but I wanted a fight.
At that point, we had spent over an hour randomly warping through lakes of molasses to try and get to the "fun".

Now, if you think that kind of blob can mount any fight.... you're more optimistic that I am :) A coordinated blob will be able to mount a fight against an organized fleet. If numbers or quality of ships are a lot better, you can defeat an organized fleet. But with similar numbers and quality, no blob can stand up to an organized fleet.
And this is good; it is as it should be.

Point is most of us were cheap-fitted because we knew we'd lose our ships; most nullsec alliances were "doctrine" fitted since it was normal ops for them. So: better organization, better quality, and for what I've seen in my short trip, bigger numbers as well - I got hit by 23 different T3 ships + the tackle in my ill-fated journey :)

That is a pathetic response, even for a first one.
In Eve terms, your response is the equivalent of Haliburton and BP after the DeepWater Horizon disaster saying to the world "thanks for your input on our environmental record, we will take it under advisement."

A few things:

1. Why not form up on the high sec staging point into low/null, so people who did not clue in that this roam was going to null immediately (I read the forces of evil post by CCP and stood down when the destination of Ihal was announced), would at least seen that from the form-up point.
2. Why was CCP announcing via Twitter destinations, as opposed to in-game.
3. Why was the Live Events channel not locked down, as they are on Sisi, when an event starts, so trolls and spies can't spread disinformation.
4. Why were clear instructions not given to use the Live Events channel as your primary source of information.
5. How could you guys not reinforce the nodes, given you knew precisely where people were going.
6. Given the size of this event, and you guys knew HOURS before 18:30 that it was going to be nuts (Sarum Prime was maxed out 70 minutes before the official kick-off time), why not pull in people to co-ordinate fleets.
7. Why not let people know that this was a null sec roam, so they ALL could fit MwD's to burn through bubbles.
8. Given that you KNEW, as any informed player would, that the null sec campers would have every planet bubbled, as well as the sun, why not have an CCP employee in every fleet as a scout providing a "relative" safespot, in the middle of deep space, as ANY competent FC would, if he knew where he was going beforehand.

9. And lastly, WHY ON EARTH SUBJECT THOUSANDS OF HIGH SEC PLAYERS TO NULL SEC IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
You ran 2 events simultaneously.. You could easily have had one in null sec, and the other in high sec, or even low sec.
But no, you set it up as a slaughterhouse for the ***** and giggles of null sec players only, knowing full well the carnage that would ensue. No matter what CCP says, your actions prove that you hate your high sec subscription base, and consider your null sec subscribers as the only ones of consequence.

Truly pathetic.

What a plank! If only a few hundred players quit because of this then that's less potential targets to shoot for the rst of us and you think that's funny?

I wasn't anywhere near this disaster but it's still a nail in EVE's coffin as far as I'm concerned