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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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BBQ FTW
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#341 - 2013-11-08 03:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: BBQ FTW
if you came prepared to fight, it went pretty well, even if you weren't affiliated with the large blocs

I know of 2 separate 5 man groups that were quite successful at skirmishing against the large blobs flying around and killed some nice stuff, including some idiot goon who thought bubble camping in an HG slaved afterburner legion was a good idea.
Le Petite More
Doomheim
#342 - 2013-11-08 03:40:12 UTC
Just called to turn off my water because this spring of tears is going to be flowing for a while.
ChYph3r
Omni Defense Corp.
#343 - 2013-11-08 03:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ChYph3r
I wasn't there due to my RL schedule, but from what I gather it was a slaughter of CCP bringing empire dwellers to null and it failed miserably.

To you Empire Dwellers, welcome to how we live in null, bubbles, gate camps, and TIDI. Your tears are the best tears ever! keep them flowing!

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Rhnra Pahineh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#344 - 2013-11-08 03:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhnra Pahineh
Bodb Derg wrote:
Wow. You people need to chill out a bit. Name one other game company that would do anything like this for their players/. Yes it could have been done better but Jesus people .. .take a chill pill.

Well, I'm sorry to say that it was poorly done. Creating such events are hard, especially in a free environment like eve online. And I believe that's where CCP failed to forseen what could go on.

Essentially, when choice is given to the players, you just try to draw some basic lines then implement on what's going on. The first FAIL was the [Sarum Prime -> Ihal] travel that just locked out most of the people willing to attend the event.

The second issue was to push into a nullsec area with absolutly no planning or fallback plan. If one way doesn't work (and I believe it did not), then try something else. I mean, really, would the Empires stay still if one badass fleet entered their border with no announcement what so ever? They should have taken into account what they always tell us: eve is real, people do stuff and care about it. So of course the Empires can't do whatever they want anymore, they have to forge alliances with the new powers. They can't just "ask" publicly capsuleers to join, because there are a lot of people that doesn't like them. At all. If they want to get support, they have to know where to knock.
A second point of view on this issue is that some people doesn't care about the lore and the event and just wanna fight. And that's the sandbox in all its glory: you can't control everything in a sandbox. And that's also because of that very fact that the eve players likes this game and invest in it in various ways: warrior, diplomats, leaders, ... I believe that if CCP want to do live event, they need real players to take care of them.

Other than that, I can't say because I was busy in Sendaya shooting at suspects. But I heard the Empire FC did some bad calls. Like traveling to a nullsec system instead to bridge in. I mean, really, doing that and telling everybody where we were going a day before is the same thing. You don't do a surprise attack like that. We are already trained to react fast, and on top of that everybody already knew that there were something brewing.

In conclusion of my flawed insight, all I have to say is: either you play the game or you don't. Toying around to introduce a new feature is kinda pointless.
Tuxedo Catfish
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2013-11-08 03:51:37 UTC
Kraschyn Thek'athor wrote:

If CCP would have done that right, they would have said.
"This is a PVP event, please use PvP ships, we are to lazy to organize FC teams, please organise. You have 24 hours".


This wouldn't have made any difference. Gee, a lore event happens in Syndicate and CCP announces a live event within the next day or two -- where did you think they were going to go?
Bam Stroker
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#346 - 2013-11-08 04:06:37 UTC
Judas Lonestar wrote:
Bam Stroker wrote:
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
fire elf wrote:
I only make sure that I have a diffrent game running so you can do something while you waiting for new targets to appear in your broadcast list or guns to cycle.

God you sound like a carebear.


He's got 25x the number of kills you do. GTFO.


Whoop de doo. In the 4 pages of kills I looked at he has all of 2 that have less that 10 on the killmail.


Who's talking about anyone's PvP skills? I didn't say anything about skills.

Dude One, who has less than 200 kills to his name called Dude Two who has over 4,000 kills a "carebear".

Forget about "skill", K:D ratios, efficiency, fleet sizes and all of that bullsh!t.

Just let that sink in.

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Maaloc
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2013-11-08 04:20:40 UTC
Hm, some people say that during the event someone mentioned a wormhole with a GM orbiting it. Is that so?
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#348 - 2013-11-08 04:33:42 UTC
It's hilarious that people who would never willing enter these systems on any other day because they are dangerous are upset that CCP didn't somehow make them not dangerous for the event.

Although the original news announcement about the event did not call it a PVP event the later one asking for capsuleers to fight for the pirates should have been a pretty bloody big red flag for anyone who thought it was going to be PVE.

CCP should not have taken any actions to make travelling to Null artificially safe, and rightfully they didn't. Five seconds after reaching the initial staging area in Meves it was obvious that the TIDI would be horrible. For the High sec jumps, set the autopilot and come back later. Or scan down a wormhole and look for a shortcut. Or go through other systems, a detour through an extra 5 systems would have been much faster due to the lack of TIDI in those systems.

The most important point though is that the random fleets that formed up still had someone leading them. That person is responsible for organizing and controlling the fleet. If your fleet jumped through to Low sec with half its members scattered across six systems and no scouting then take it up with the FC who organized the fleet. It is their fault, not CCP.

The entire event from the High sec side was a clusterfuck but not due to CCP. The fault lies entirely upon the players and their lack of co-ordination. If you want to run solo through a PVP event and survive then fly a bloody stealth bomber / recon cruiser / cloaky tech 3.
Jeffy D
Legion Of Aus
#349 - 2013-11-08 04:38:50 UTC
I almost got washed away by the wave of carebear tears. Seriously though, this is funny as hell! CCP tells high sec pilots to go to null sec, they follow like lemmings and get slaughtered like them. What a massive and funny troll by CCP.Cool
Obama Drama
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2013-11-08 04:38:54 UTC
Rhnra Pahineh wrote:
[quote=Bodb Derg]

The second issue was to push into a owned nullsec area.


I can't hear anything you just said since this was NPC nullsec.

What'd you say bro? What?
Rhnra Pahineh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#351 - 2013-11-08 04:41:42 UTC
Corvald Tyrska wrote:
The entire event from the High sec side was a clusterfuck but not due to CCP. The fault lies entirely upon the players and their lack of co-ordination. If you want to run solo through a PVP event and survive then fly a bloody stealth bomber / recon cruiser / cloaky tech 3.

What you're saying is: CCP could simply have told the players (us) to go toward a nullsec system and have fun. In fact, the result would probably be the same. And, well, we don't really need them to tell us where to go to have fights.

However, I do agree with all your points. If your FC made mistakes, those are his/her fault alone.
Rhnra Pahineh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#352 - 2013-11-08 04:42:43 UTC
Obama Drama wrote:
Rhnra Pahineh wrote:
[quote=Bodb Derg]

The second issue was to push into a owned nullsec area.


I can't hear anything you just said since this was NPC nullsec.

What'd you say bro? What?

Yes sorry, I revised my post but not thoroughly enough. That part slipped. (I'm going to correct that.)
Irak Anstian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#353 - 2013-11-08 04:44:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Irak Anstian
Heh. I love it when you hiseccers bawl your eyes out. Welcome to the real version of EVE. I regret I wasn't around to get any kills.
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#354 - 2013-11-08 04:53:36 UTC
The PitBoss wrote:
Subject says it all.

Quote:
Empire Navies put out call for capsuleer Assisantce


10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime)

10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal)

Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention




No real communication from gm/event host

Lots of secrecy on locations apparently to keep people from ruining the event

ONLY to include those people in the end.

I want that hour of my life refunded to me Shocked



Good Job CCP ...


NEXT time just open a wormhole and let people drop in


PS: Please point me in the direction of this post to remind me why I shouldnt bother in another live event ...



10 percent at time sits like 1 percent man you came on a good day to a small fight hurry back :)
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#355 - 2013-11-08 04:54:32 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
Corvald Tyrska wrote:
The NPC FCs were playing in character very well, i.e. Empire navy commanders who don't give a crap about the capsuleers following their instructions.

As I said in another thread on this if you lost your ship to a gatecamp it is entirely your fault, not the CCP FC. Would you fly a battleship through the Doril gate on any other day without scouting it out? If so come back tomorrow, there will be plenty of people waiting there to say hi.

The NPC FC gave instructions as to the destination. How you flew there was up to you. Taking the shortest path through Low/Null sec, from High sec, without scouting it out was stupid regardless of what the NPC said to do. If you plan to fly through these sort of systems at least use a cloaky ship otherwise go around or go in co-ordinated and prepared.

If you are going to completely entrust the safety of your ship and pod to a stranger in local chat, NPC Actor or not, who is telling you to jump into a Low/Null sec system then you deserve to lose it. I flew in a stealth bomber because I expected camps and trouble and I was able to fly through four of them without incident. Many other players flew around the camps to the destination systems.

All this event shows is that most EVE players need someone else to micromanage them and tell them how to think and act, otherwise they just fly to their deaths like a bunch of drunken lemmings.


Yep shows I'm a loser and worthless. but then why would I care.

your not a loser or worthless..
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#356 - 2013-11-08 04:57:07 UTC
Prelate Hucel-Ge wrote:
I don't know what you retards expected, this event was run by CCP. It was destined to be poorly thought-out, clunky, and ending in sadness and a sore *******. That's the CCP guarantee.

in past ccp turns on their guard fleets anyways
Starain
SoT
DarkSide.
#357 - 2013-11-08 05:03:52 UTC
Arrowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fqAIjcb-fk
video from event
DarkSide.+Gorgon Empire+Bright Side of Death vs Everyone and The Backstabbers^W Unthinkables
Gathering all the pain on the way from heaven to hell: Sarum Prime - Doril - Hemin - RMOC-W
Despite of fact that my ship is dead, that our fleet was backstabbed - at the end of video, time dilation from 5 to 25%, lags - it was COOL!

1. http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b9596/
2. http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b9599/
3. http://kb.ds-alliance.com/battle/b9600/

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#358 - 2013-11-08 05:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Maaloc wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:

It was a turkey shoot. There was 0, nada, nothing the people jumping into that camp could have done, as they had 0 warning there would be one, no time to coordinate and try to make a stand, and those who were coordinated, were stuck trying to get there via time dilation..

Zero warning? Seriously? You don't have to be a genius to realize that null-secs + this equals camps and player pirates.

As this guy from the Razor alliance said, did you expect candies in Doril?


I know that you think your sh-t smells like candy and you would like people to eat and enjoy it as much as you do, but let's be honest. CCP railroaded the event they setup and literally sent you a line of carebears to kill.

You enjoyed it because your job was simple, sit at 100, blow up whatever comes in. Now that might be fearful if you were alone, or maybe with 3 or 4 guys, but the 150 to 200 + sitting at optimal, watching people trickle in at a gate you bubbled to hell and back, and they have no way of getting to ya...

The developers did what most nullsec corps do, they implanted a spy, setup a trap, and whelped the target. Cept the target was highsec, the spy was CCP, and they used their own made-up event to .. Well lord who the hell knows what they were doing.

If this was setup by razor, fine, goons, fine, n3, fine. This was setup by CCP, and people followed the game developers. Poorly executed, Badly performed, 0 communication and the bulk of the community lost trust in the company because they lead the people into what can only be determined to be a trap (or as you may call it, typical Thursday in null).

In the end, the camp was fine. The majority of the community following CCP had no damn clue what was going to go on, well cept for ya I suppose.

Eitherway, it is what it is.

What the community wants to know is what the f-ck it was suppose to be.

Death by fire, a role playing event, a intro to nullsec, tears and people screaming that there leaving, a tidi test?... Because that was no live event.

Yaay!!!!

Octoven
Stellar Production
#359 - 2013-11-08 05:55:54 UTC
Aerieth wrote:
Octoven wrote:
First off no I cant imagine the FC scenario because typically FCs do not operate with 3000 players, thus they dont worry about needing to space those players over multiple systems to prevent TiDi.

Yes but CCP should have known there would be a 3000 player turn out and planned for it.

Octoven wrote:

Secondly, CCP never expected or asked us to TRICKLE into Null Sec, the request was to Trickle from Sarum Prime 1.0 to Ihal 0.5 Once everyone were there we could then proceed to travel together.


Fair. However CCP was not there in Ihal to lead onward. CCP should have been the FC in this case and we were let down by our FC and now we are upset.


Ill grant you that they may have been able to prep a bit better, but as for a CCP FC in ihal...there was one, (not as effective as typical FCs but never the less he was there) you just joined the wrong fleet mate.
Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#360 - 2013-11-08 06:22:50 UTC
Tidi sucks xD If that is the normal NullSec Thuesday... No wonder most of you are just dumb F1 Monkeys :-P

I don't care if my ship gets blown up by a gate camp in Null, most HighSec dwellers deserved it and the tears in this thread are delicious , but it sucks if you need 1 hour for 5 systems just to get there :-P