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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#221 - 2013-11-07 22:32:29 UTC
I would like to apologize on behalve of BNI and Brave Collective for the CEO and the other idiotic members who are using this opportunity to troll as if people are complaining about the PvP and not the lack of organization that occured in the event.
s4ngu Daphiti
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#222 - 2013-11-07 22:33:00 UTC
The PitBoss wrote:


10% Tidi 5 j out to rally point (Sarum Prime)

10% Tidi the 16 j to the second rally point (Ihal)

Tidi the few jumps to the last destination ... by then i was numb and not paying attention

...


There is allways TiDi if hundrets of players all jump into the same system...


CCP, thank you very much for this event. It was my first and i liked it :)

Good job guys :)
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#223 - 2013-11-07 22:33:10 UTC
I'm glad CCP doesn't care at all about my timezone. This mess started when I was working and was already called off and over by the time I got ready to leave.

And it looks like I missed CCP screwing the people whose timezone they do care about. Lovely.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#224 - 2013-11-07 22:34:07 UTC
I think its funny how you low/null sec corps are gloating. Had CCP waited for the 2,000 pilots on the way to join the OP, you wouldnt have stud a chance, but the nodes couldnt handle the amount of pilots (which CCP knew would be high). I still don't know why they would put a staging location 23 jumps away with the amount of tidi there was. To me thats just madness. We all fully intended to lose our ships, just not this way. The game was so slow it was unplayable. CCP had pilots asking them to wait and they just ignored them as half of peoples fleets were missing.

Why didn't they just call the event ''High sec vs Low/Null sec''? At least people would had know what they were getting themselves in to.

All this turned out to be was really bad communication from CCP and they have damaged their game because of it .

You guys in null/low, the game wouldnt run without the people in high sec yet you slag them off!

I do think the EVE community is the most resiliant community of all. You seem to take so much crap from CCP, then shake their hands after.

All that this has shown is their lack of respect for their community, They haven't even appoligized. I think the community in this game is the best out of any MMO I have played. dont shake CCPs hand for something they got wrong.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#225 - 2013-11-07 22:35:08 UTC
Aerieth wrote:
scimichar wrote:
Octoven wrote:


Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?


I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead.


A Live Event is not hours of TiDi TRAVEL! I said TRAVEL! You can't just cut out half my sentence and then question my quote. TiDi in fights is an amazing feature. 20 jumps of TiDi is ********. I'm not saying you should turn TiDi off. I'm saying this isn't the first massive event and CCP should have been aware telling people to gather 20 jumps from where they would eventually need to be would be a major issue!


See normally I would buy that, BUT you were sort of given an idea of the destination. MD or Utopia. Utopia is closer to Sarum Prime, even though the final destination was changed it was only 2 jumps from original. You could easily have anticipated this and began to move in that direction. I went from Sarum Prime to Ihal like everyone else and took the 23 safe jumps...I only experienced 10% TiDi in 3 systems enroute.

The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#226 - 2013-11-07 22:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Lord Valian wrote:
Thank you for joining the party.

http://i.imgur.com/2hyrGtj.png


This is happening in incursion community after it lost ~200 cheap ships (and ~4 hours of time)
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#227 - 2013-11-07 22:36:23 UTC
I arrived in RMOC with my alt at 19:20 UTC, nothing was there, it was a lie by CCP.
I think i'll ignore future "events" as they seems to be FAKE.

Octoven
Stellar Production
#228 - 2013-11-07 22:38:25 UTC
Spc One wrote:
I arrived in RMOC with my alt at 19:20 UTC, nothing was there, it was a lie by CCP.
I think i'll ignore future "events" as they seems to be FAKE.



Excellent, this should help reduce TiDi in future events as well Twisted
FunGu Arsten
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#229 - 2013-11-07 22:39:15 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/n8dNIkJ.gif

all i can say about this event
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#230 - 2013-11-07 22:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
all i can say is:

to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.

yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.

Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.

most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions, its all the same to us!
Aerieth
The Sleeper Sleuths
#231 - 2013-11-07 22:46:49 UTC
Octoven wrote:

The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it.


Right it's our fault for listening to CCP and going to the staging system? Next time your FC says "ok we are heading to XYZ-123 so stage up at ABC-456" and you just fly straight to XYZ-123 and let me know how it goes?

Also it's even worse if CCP seriously expected us to TRICKLE into Null Sec. We got our butts handed to us when we mobbed towards the destination (not an issue, just a statement) but could you imagine the limitless massacre as we all lined up in an orderly fashion towards the gate camps?
1991 Dragon
Lumbridge Corporation
#232 - 2013-11-07 22:47:52 UTC
Was looking forward to this event, glad IRL events prevented me from showing up now lol. I had no idea what to expect I was going to use my prized CNR. (I'm a fairly new noob, only 10m SP)

Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day?
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#233 - 2013-11-07 22:48:05 UTC
after years and years Pitboss decided that since it's a CCP event it will be finally safe for him to go into null sec

he steps in meekly, holding big CCPs hand

let's go look at the first post in this thread and see how his first real EVE experience went
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#234 - 2013-11-07 22:50:08 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
all i can say is:

to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.

yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.

Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.

most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions.


I think the problem is that most people didn't know what was going on, where they were going or what they were doing until they got there. There are several things CCP could have done to make this work, not the least of which would be to create a separate, instanced area that was "jumped" into, or having Imperial ships clear out the gate camps, or any number of ways other games have demonstrated excellent event handling. Probably the worst thing would be to ask hisec players to jump on after work, tell them at the last minute that they were going to nullsec, and then **** off.

That doesn't make those hisec players who showed up not knowing what to expect hate their empires or CONCORD, it makes them angry at CCP. If they'd wanted to make players angry at their empires or CONCORD, they should have gotten them to the event target area, then betrayed them once they got there. From what I'm reading, this whole thing was an administrative screw-up on CCP's end.

Unless they just didn't want anyone participating in events anymore. I can already tell that the reduction in turnout for the next event will be significant.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Aerieth
The Sleeper Sleuths
#235 - 2013-11-07 22:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerieth
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
all i can say is:

to the people from hisec pissed off at the fact their FC bailed or went awol b4 the fight causing mass confusion / paranoia, sometimes these things happen. There are typically tell tale signs of a fleet being run by someone not competent enough and you should look to this experience as something to learn from.

Complaining about this IS tears ... so enjoy!

GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:

yes i know it was an advertised CCP event, and yes in that sense theres a level of expectation there, but like all things in life, theyre subject to being screwwed with.

Has anyone thought that maybe this high level command desertion was actually the plan all along to make capsuleers mad at whichever major faction was apparently spearheading this? just a thought.

That would be awesome ... if CCP was there with us as CONCORD leading us into the fray and dying alongside us. CCP showed up for 2 minutes and said "Go here" and then no sign of ANYONE. This doesn't make us mad at "CONCORD" for sending us to our death at the hands of Null Sec power blocs this makes us mad at CCP for screwing up the event.

GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:

most of what happened (including the camp) was exasperated by the fact you were lead into an active multi-alliance warzone. nullsec blocs rarely take part in live events to this extent because typically its not near an active campaign area. That and generally it doesnt interest us much, but when its coming right through staging systems, you can bet ur ass we'll be putting up a fleet to kill stuff. be it stuff sided with pirates or empire factions, its all the same to us!

Again I have no issue with the power blocs taking the opportunity to do some carebear killing. Congratulations to them. I know if I was in their shoes I would have done the same.
Bobmich Crobnich
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#236 - 2013-11-07 22:51:22 UTC
This was my first major fleet action - even within EVE Uni as I'd been training skills until I realized I could do something semi-useful.
I knew that my ship was gonna be a throwaway, and after doing mostly PvE stuff I knew that I was going to get podded and prepared as such. Fact was, even though it was a turkey shoot and I got blapped in the end, I did have a laugh when it got to the 'fish in a barrel' point and everything onscreen was lazors, smartbombs and the sound of death. I even managed to get a lot of shots off and did work as EWAR before my Maller bit the dust, despite staying at 10% structure for a good 20 mins. Nullsec was fun!

Main point though, is that this wasn't meant to be about nullsec, it was about a storyline event that apparently was over before my fleet even got on station (I was in the Meves fleet). Our livestreamer/scout told us things were cleaned up and the station was looted whilst we were still a good 4 jumps away, before the Goons snuffed him out.
The organization, especially getting the involved parties on station was very poor, I've barely started in this game, and I do intend to attend more live events, maybe even cover them, but this was a fail when it came to what the whole thing was about in the first place, and more a case of 'We have 200 people and insurance policies, might as well make use of them!'
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#237 - 2013-11-07 22:52:27 UTC
1991 Dragon wrote:
Lucky escape I guess. What actually happened? Any empire fighting at all? Or just null sec players having a field day?

You didn't miss anything... It was a null-sec pinata fest.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Luca Lure
Obertura
#238 - 2013-11-07 22:53:52 UTC
CaptSummers wrote:
Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up

Aerieth wrote:
Michael Turate wrote:
Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.

Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself.


No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story?



Indeed. Grow up summerboy. Then go to school and learn to read. For the person you quoted the biggest problem is the lack of any communication from CCP. I thought it was stupid as well, because there was no normal communication. To use twitter, while having your own application to communicate is dumm.

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#239 - 2013-11-07 22:53:59 UTC
Aerieth wrote:
Octoven wrote:

The fault is not CCP, its the players for being sheepsih enough to all congregate in one system and all move at the same time. If you noticed CCP also mentioned on the tweet they posted that they wanted pilots to "TRICKLE" toward Ihal to avoid severe TiDi in every system, but you lot moved enmass and thus triggered it.


Right it's our fault for listening to CCP and going to the staging system? Next time your FC says "ok we are heading to XYZ-123 so stage up at ABC-456" and you just fly straight to XYZ-123 and let me know how it goes?

Also it's even worse if CCP seriously expected us to TRICKLE into Null Sec. We got our butts handed to us when we mobbed towards the destination (not an issue, just a statement) but could you imagine the limitless massacre as we all lined up in an orderly fashion towards the gate camps?


First off no I cant imagine the FC scenario because typically FCs do not operate with 3000 players, thus they dont worry about needing to space those players over multiple systems to prevent TiDi.

Secondly, CCP never expected or asked us to TRICKLE into Null Sec, the request was to Trickle from Sarum Prime 1.0 to Ihal 0.5 Once everyone were there we could then proceed to travel together.
Skarsi Wyrdmake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#240 - 2013-11-07 22:54:15 UTC
Hmmm.... my thought on this whole kerfuffle......

On the event itself:

Expected lots of PvP

expected ship to go boom and die

expected tidi in travel

Did not expect:

very little to no communication, coming either via completely spammed local chat or twitter

to be told "go X system for the event" only to be subsequantly told "now go to y system, 23 jumps away" and then driven into the most obvious bottleneck in eve straight through the most dangerous part of nullsec where most of nullsec was waiting. (whether they had been forewarned... who knows)

Good Side:
had a nice chat with corp mates.

overall rating: the event itself sucked massively.

on what i did afterwards:

Roamed Doril after the event was over, and enjoyed exploring it. a somewhat thanks to all the nullsec guys who either saw or passed by me and didnt shoot me or anything. Really enjoyed exploring somewhere i dont really get to go to. Got spooked by the massive swarm of apocalypse navy issues that warped to near the gate about 30 secs after i jumped in.

irony of it: went through another gate..... got camped. oh well. cheap ship, easily replaced.

overall verdict: had fun in nullsec.

and goons..... well they were just being goons.