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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Noh Way
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#201 - 2013-11-07 22:14:01 UTC
Why fail alone when you can failscade with your friends? We were there, had a blast, and died in a fire in the end. Join us.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#202 - 2013-11-07 22:14:37 UTC
Aerieth wrote:
To all you null secers not understanding the issue here!

This is not an issue with dieing, this is not an issue with TiDi. this is not an issue with bubbles or null sec mechanics.

This is simply an issue of not delivering on a promise.

When CCP says "Live Event" that sets certain expectations into play. When CCP fails on those explanations then THAT is the issue.

If I was signing up for a dangerous mission through dangerous territory and died in a ball of fire thats OK!
If I was signing up for a trip into null sec and got owned then that's OK!
If I was signing up for a massive fleet fight and due to the sheer mass of it then we were all TiDi'd to all hell then thats OK!

Those situations are all fine, but today those of us that logged on to partake in a Live Event and got anything but a Live Event ... that's the issue at hand.

A Live Event is not hours of TiDi travel!
A Live Event is not hours of directionless mayhem with no input from those running the event.

You all think we are a bunch of whiners, however you just happen to see our forums. I know from personal experience there is plenty of whining going on behind the Goons forums. "Wha! This FC did this! Wha! This FC did that!"

Imagine spending hours following an FC around in 10% TiDi then you don't get to shoot anything and it was ALL ON PURPOSE by the FC ... then come back to us and say Yes I am fine wasting hours of my time doing nothing of importance on purpose!


Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?
Fineesd Miromme
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2013-11-07 22:14:46 UTC
Noh Way wrote:
Why fail alone when you can failscade with your friends? We were there, had a blast, and died in a fire in the end. Join us.


Join Us. You know you want too. Don't be afraid of the Failside...I mean Darkside.
Klister Ethelred
Parallax Shift
#204 - 2013-11-07 22:16:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Klister Ethelred
I haven't been mad at CCP yet...not a bittervet. I think the devs here do a pretty good job compared to some other MMOs I might name.

But this event...ugh.

What a complete waste of time. The bulk of the fleet never even made it to the site because of dozens of jumps at 10% tidi.
The CCP rep left the second staging area while all the battleships were still 40 minutes of 10% tidi away.

Why do that? I cannot fathom what made you think that was a good idea. Why hold the event 20+ jumps away from the staging site? Do you hate us? Do you want to frustrate us by holding an event in such a way that most of the people who show up won't be able to participate because of travel time, and lack of CCP directions?

We created a 200 ship armor fleet in Sarum more than an hour before 18:50, and almost NONE of them made it to Ihan before the CCP guy left that second staging system. No one from CCP communicated with the fleet to give instructions or updates.

When we got to low sec we couldn't tell who was who, friendly or foe.

"I'd rather be pissed off then pissed on"

"This is one of those times when it's important to know the difference between 'then' and 'than'."
Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
#205 - 2013-11-07 22:16:58 UTC
Lychton Kondur wrote:
Aja Jinn wrote:

Screw all you whiners!! I had a choice today to either go outside and rake leaves, or fly with a fleet to null sec.
Guess what? I chose Null sec. I got on a couple of kills, got podded, had fun.
So quit whining and get another ship and get back out there.
Or send all your stuff to me and I'll give it away to people that aren't world class crybabys like all you losers.

OK, I feel better now.



You are the first Highsec player that admitted you have fun. Props, you're winning EvE. If you want to spice up your space life, you are more than welcome to come out and fly with us.



Your head is so far up your belief system, it's funny!

Lots of us rant not because it was 0.0 (else lots of us old Null-Low-K space bears would just not have gone in if we feared loose a tiny pixel parts to your assisted drones...).

We rant because:

1 - Piwte side did not get to fly 20+ system in tidi.... (man I would have enjoyed reading your post about having to cross Camps while following a gam.... oh sorry DEVswarm ally right! (sarcasm) and your FC did not do his job...)

2 - It's official CCP event, be nice to the newby (i ain't, wasn't expecting that, I killed newbs, gave them the pod express too) but for FS it was easy to add : "expect to die!!! We just can't do organized stuff since we are drunken Scandinavians! Yarr!"

3 - besides Beenies and goonies this was 2h of time wasted. (20+ jump of people in none reinforced nodes, server time out messages, etc) You guys had to wait... throw a few--- correct that assign once then sleep... Time is not money but you can't get that time back and eve is one of the worst grind out there (except for Diablo3) maybe... Now a new event grind TIDI!
Mister Marram
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#206 - 2013-11-07 22:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Marram
Noh Way wrote:
Why fail alone when you can failscade with your friends? We were there, had a blast, and died in a fire in the end. Join us.


BNI Talwar conga line was pretty funny.

Side note:
The self entitlement in this forum is making my eyes bleed, HTFU.
scimichar
Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
#207 - 2013-11-07 22:19:28 UTC
Octoven wrote:


Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?


I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#208 - 2013-11-07 22:20:04 UTC
Klister Ethelred wrote:
I haven't been mad at CCP yet...not a bittervet. I think the devs here do a pretty good job compared to some other MMOs I might name.

But this event...ugh.

What a complete waste of time. The bulk of the fleet never even made it to the site because of dozens of jumps at 10% tidi.
The CCP rep left the second staging area while all the battleships were still 40 minutes of 10% tidi away.

Why do that? I cannot fathom what made you think that was a good idea. Why hold the event 20+ jumps away from the staging site? Do you hate us? Do you want to frustrate us by holding an event in such a way that most of the people who show up won't be able to participate?


To be fair here, you KNEW that live events create severe TiDi...hell just sitting in Jita can. Yet you choose to fly a battleship that is less maneuverable, slow, and likely will die fast in bubbles. You can't really blame CCP for choosing the wrong ship here.
Kyria Shirako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2013-11-07 22:20:39 UTC
Octoven wrote:

If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.


I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?"

...What the hell?

Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time.
Aerieth
The Sleeper Sleuths
#210 - 2013-11-07 22:21:56 UTC
CaptSummers wrote:
Get used to it... we sometimes fight all night with 10% tidi... grow up

Aerieth wrote:
Michael Turate wrote:
Didn't think much of the CCP end of event but the post event fall out is hilarious. What a bunch of babies!! What did you lot think was going to happen? You'd be safely transported somewhere pleasant while a nice CCP man told you a story and then you'd get some free stuff?? That's a trip to a kids pantomime and should never been in Eve, ever.

Plenty of people had fun with this event, study them if you wish to understand how to enjoy yourself.


No we expected to have a nice CCP man tell us a story then we'd all go down in a brightly burning firey death. I got the firey death I wanted ... now where was the CCP man and where was the story?



FIGHT being the key word ... you don't get to fight. You have to spend hours of your life flying through 10% TiDi in HIGH SEC!
Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
#211 - 2013-11-07 22:22:07 UTC
And don't you all forget there is another TIDI grind on SISI this weekend!!! Go and help!!!
Octoven
Stellar Production
#212 - 2013-11-07 22:23:38 UTC
Kyria Shirako wrote:
Octoven wrote:

If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.


I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?"

...What the hell?

Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time.


The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.
Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#213 - 2013-11-07 22:24:55 UTC
Oh btw

I got over 50 kills, And I ain't no Nullsec Power bloc

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Sebastien LeReparteur
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
#214 - 2013-11-07 22:25:28 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Kyria Shirako wrote:
Octoven wrote:

If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.


I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?"

...What the hell?

Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time.


The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.



So..... how often have you travel with TIDI lag and client to server lag over geoscape? 5 sec here and there... goes to a few minutes in the end.

The 1st wave to hit the gate did not get tidi, the 2nd did and then cascade!!!!
Aerieth
The Sleeper Sleuths
#215 - 2013-11-07 22:25:50 UTC
Octoven wrote:
[quote=Aerieth]Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?


Yes TiDi is a feature used to allow massive fleet fights. Fleet fights are fun, massive fleet fights are also fun even when slow. Travelling through High sec is not fun, traveling through High sec for hours in TiDi is even more not fun. The post from CCP said "inviting all capsuleers to join them in this assault and bring down what they claim is a threat to the entire cluster" not "Hey all come have fun flying REALLY slowly through space for hours for NO REASON!"

I said the issue isn't with TiDi and it isn't.

The issue is with hours of TiDi travel through highsec.
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#216 - 2013-11-07 22:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Draugo Rana
Ok, so let me get it straight -

All the people who came to the event hoping to participate in something interesting, maybe a bit different than their daily activities, get some fights that may be actually related to the game's lore for a change. Then traveled 20 systems in 10% TiDi only to miss the actual point of the event, didn't enjoy it.


All the people who were already around, didn't have to do anything more than press F1 or assign drones, did enjoy the event.


Now the second group honestly believes that if they repeat enough times "grow up" and "learn to play" to the first group, they can actually convince them that they DID really enjoy the event despite what they say or at least they WILL enjoy next time they need to spend 2 hours for nothing staring at space in a slow motion.


Did I miss anything?

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Zuki Stargazer
Harrington Logistics and Combat Support
#217 - 2013-11-07 22:26:55 UTC
Whatever it was: It was not fun. And I do not mean the TiDi and the 23 jumps or the lawnmowing in Doril.... I mean the inability of a heck lot of people - including me - to participate in this. After TiDi and 23 jumps. I started from Sarum Prime on the first announcement - which was well before the announced starting time and when I arrived at the second point, first waves of (smaller and faster ships) were already resting in pieces and word was spread about the camp. No more CCP around. And not as in: "I need Pampers, where's CCP" but as in "Wait for further instruction when you arrive." The little I know about large fleet actions is that you do not start sh*t unless people call you "boss".

I have no idea what would have been the final outcome of a massive battleship-fleet jumping into that situation, not enough experience in the matter here, but I would have died happily trying. I could have told folks in the office tomorrow about my shiny expensive ship being blown to crap in the middle of the finest fireworks seen in months.
And: I am used to losing ships. To stupidity, lack of skill, rule / game mechanics knowledge and if this wouldn't be fun (in a way), I'd have stopped playing a long, long time ago.

But today I didn't lose a ship.

I just lost an evening.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#218 - 2013-11-07 22:28:24 UTC
Sebastien LeReparteur wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Kyria Shirako wrote:
Octoven wrote:

If you didnt find it at least a little fun then you are missing the point of the game mate. The idea is to fly into enemy territory and face overwhelming odds. I think we accomplished that today. I think divulging of info could have been a bit more efficient but other than that the event worked as intended...provide a few hours of distraction and fun.


I, and much of my fleet coming from Meves, didn't even get to make it into enemy territory to face those overwhelming odds when we were told that the station self-destructed and the whole effort was apparently pointless. I'd spent the better part of an hour jumping through 10% time dilations, anticipation building with each jump I took closer to my first steps into nullsec - and then before I get there with a 200-man blob of ships, I hear "Beep! It's over, congratulations, your side sort of technically won?"

...What the hell?

Yes, I went into this fully prepared to lose a ship - Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and all that. I know that well by now. Throwing that ISK away for participation in an interesting event would have been worth it. But I didn't even wind up losing that ship and I still thought this was a poorly run, unsatisfying event and a complete waste of time.


The real question here is, did you show up in Meves at the appropriate time and move fluently with the fleet? Because in all fairness the FC was under the same effects of TiDi as yourself. In light of that, had you been rallied next to the FC on time and moved as he gave commands, you should have moved with him....until you died ofc.



So..... how often have you travel with TIDI lag and client to server lag over geoscape? 5 sec here and there... goes to a few minutes in the end.

The 1st wave to hit the gate did not get tidi, the 2nd did and then cascade!!!!


All I know is i actually did show up on time, I sat next to the FC, I flew a decently fast ship, and I moved on his order as he gave them. The most amazing thing happened. I arrived at the facility as the FC did.
Aerieth
The Sleeper Sleuths
#219 - 2013-11-07 22:28:43 UTC
scimichar wrote:
Octoven wrote:


Im not quite catching you here...you open your post by saying "this is not an issue with TiDi" yet continue on to state, "A Live Event is not hours of TiDI" as a reason for the issue at hand. Could you clarify as to why you have contradicted yourself here?


I think he wants CCP to turn off the tidi button so everyone will just blackscreen instead.


A Live Event is not hours of TiDi TRAVEL! I said TRAVEL! You can't just cut out half my sentence and then question my quote. TiDi in fights is an amazing feature. 20 jumps of TiDi is ********. I'm not saying you should turn TiDi off. I'm saying this isn't the first massive event and CCP should have been aware telling people to gather 20 jumps from where they would eventually need to be would be a major issue!
Lord Valian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2013-11-07 22:30:35 UTC
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