Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have seemed to have missed it. can you link to where this is posted?



Do these missions include salvage? How does the TQ Kronos match against the SiSi Kronos.

Where can the data for these mission/bounty tick averages be found ? They are supposed to be averages of numerous mission completions and salvage and module sales correct? are they running the same set of missions? and how do they compare within the same mission?

My bounty ticks are very different for running (serpentis/Gurista) worlds collide vs (EOM) gone berserk. what mission set is represented in your bounty averages?

Sorry, if you can't be arsed to click several pages back, neither am I.


I stated clearly, I measure by tick or by time to complete the mission. I don't count salvage nor LP conversion. Yes, they are part of total ISK/hr but they are not direct indicator of ship's performance.

I do not understand the matching question. I thought the numbers above are what you asked for.

As for ticks, I said typical good, so no averaging, only general good stuff but without extremes.

When I could I tried to compare the same missions but my notes are incomplete, so I can vouch only for Gone Berserk and for WC(serp/guri). SiSi vs. TQ times are respectively, 8 vs.9 minutes and 31 vs. 39.

Thanks for the reply.

There are tanking differences definitely. I guess what I am trying to ask is if players who could use both for pvp and assuming the costs were the same, do you think vindis would be replaced for those players? The reason I am asking is because your arguments against damage increases throughout the thread have been to marauders completely overshadowing other ships (which is a valid concern no doubt). My personal belief is that there is room for a damage increase, considering the dps difference between the two, differences in bonuses, as well as the penalties for using bastion.

I will not argue/reply to the answers to these questions, the answers could even be just yes/no. (i really dont care about gallente all that much, im not a pvper and just want an opinion from one, and i think your prior posts seemed to indicated that you know megathrons well):

1) just to establish some additional credibility, do you typically use vindis in your normal pvp activities as well as megathrons?

2) do you believe that (assuming identical pricing) a kronos w/ 5 sentries will make the vindi obsolete amongst pvp players who have the ability to use both? or any dmg increase?

Spoonfed, gotcha. Now if you look I stated that this was for the same mission as I already have sisi data correct? (check your later quote) aka Scarlet. Now the bounties would be roughly in the same ballpark but I also stated that we skipped Guristas. Now with scarlet I did it in 36min in a full T2 fit Vargur (the fit has been posted). The TQ one, due to lower bounty per tick means it took... more ticks to get to the same amount of bounty (roughly) This means that it took... more time! aka 3 ticks as opposed to two (37min) so it took close to an hour iirc, with a Drake helping me. Now as to bling fit on TQ: I have 3 Republic Gyros, two TEs II, Two tracking comps II a Gist X-Type Large shield booster and two Hardener IIs and an Afterburner (not enough PG to fit a MWD). My range was 67km Falloff with aroun .08 tracking.

Compare that to being able to switch out the tracking comps to either give me 82km or 0.13 tracking, only needing two T2 tanking mods and only using a MJD for mobility as opposed to a AB (Although I COULD have fit an AB instead of that 3rd TC on Sisi. Might have made it go faster yes? Remember we got a HUGE increase in PG (Major buff) in rubicon. I can actually fit a large shield booster and a MJD without having to fit a PG module 0.o.



I specifically stated that you use links in C5 (because the person who tested this did not and used the failure as reason why the marauder sucks) I clarified before your post that solo in C5 means with links. It seemed that you had not grasped this and as such I clarified it AGAIN.

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New Kronos gets much better damage application with blasters and the fittings allow for very very good tracking at close ranges to the point where you can hit frigates under 10km. Due to these things they work better than anything else with blasters as you don't spend any time burning around to get in range to apply the face melting damage.

I use every mega hull and have fits even for the federation issue. The only anomaly has been the kronos due to it being bad but not after these changes.



In PVP the vindi can be used for work where you need to be more mobile however its fire power is its biggest selling point and if the kronos gets a full 125 drone bay it will trump the vindi in almost every way due to its much better range even outside of bastion.

So you complain that the marauders suck because you are using them wrong they don't fit your preferred playstile?

Vargur + speed nerf + Bastion/MJD is the EVE version of Radon toothpaste.

Might seem like a good idea at first, but the moment you finally understand... still waiting for you to understand.

No see here's the thing (and it's a big secret so don't go spreading it around m'kay?)








I tested it.

I want to make 1 more post on this thread, then I think imma try to stay out out til a dev update or response. This post is mainly directed at the Vargur and why it still needs a lil sumpin sumpin.

First restating all / part why marauders are even being looked at:



My interpretation: After rebalances, the usefulness of marauders decreased (along with the value of their development time) because the usefulness of other ships increased... aka power creep. The Vargur, along with the rest of marauders, is being looked at so that its power (not necessarily dps, but usefulness rather) is somewhat balanced with alternatives..... although drone dps was nerfed, and pirates become more useful compared to marauders via the looting structure as well. just sayin.

It appears pirates played a very significant role in the justification to rebalance marauders, but marauders are being rebalanced based on some idea of what pirates should in the future aka Soon™

I continued to read some other dev statements:

Okay cool, maybe trade some max dmg for better projection... only stacking penalities kinda prevent the vargur from gaining any 'damage at range' over the mach. The mach has the range bonuses on the hull and higher dmg. Normally you're hitting stacking penalities pretty hard, and the mach's dmg bonus becomes better than the extra projection offered by bastion... but its okay, cause the paladin looks good right?

Not to mention, ACs live in falloff, so the mach's mobility puts it even further ahead... Heck, the unbastioned Vargur surpasses the bastioned one in dps. The penalties of bastion mode discourage the use of bastion mode with projectiles, while the poor sensor strength is still there outside of bastion mode....

At the end of the day, the Vargur took hits to its hull's base mobility to get a module that doesnt provide meaningful projection considering that it completely loses its ability to apply more damage through mobility. Then outside of bastion mode, it is still that "'jam me now and forever' target dummy", just slower.