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Handling throwaway alts

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#21 - 2013-11-02 23:42:09 UTC
Mag's wrote:


I've read a few throw the accusations out regarding throw away alts, but not one person was able to back up those claims with facts.

If you do have any facts, then the best people to tell would be CCP. Please report them ASAP.


When I think about it, there could be a way of obtaining some evidence. It would require some data mining and programming skills.

For ganking throwaway alts:
For a selected period of time, let's say a year, the API verified killmails from eve-kill are grabbed and filtered to include haulers, battleships and freighters (the usual targets). Character names from the killmails are then looked up in Doomheim corporation (http://evewho.com/corp/Doomheim), CCP's corporation for deleted characters. Add some time filters and compare the data with times from killmails and you could actually have something.

For scamming throwaway alts it's not that easy, since the observer would have to have an alt, for example in Jita, and turn on chat logs. The logs are then parsed into a database and spammers filtered out statistically. The tricky part is that one must have a character logged in Jita for at least a month to gather some solid data and the whole detection process would extend to the following months as well until there is a measurable evidence that scamming alts are, in fact, joining Doomheim as a rule.

Until this is done, we are free to discuss pros and cons of a potential change. So far the only directly negative side of this particular idea that we got in the thread was provided by Sipphakta en Gravonere from Goonswarm. It would be nice to have at least one more downside before the idea is thrown away.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Stay Feral
#22 - 2013-11-03 00:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Sounds like a good idea, +1

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

Mordeth Aridhol
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-11-03 00:39:28 UTC
In regards to suicide ganking, it is against the rules to use throwaway alts for it and you can be banned if you are caught.

So overall i have no idea what you are on about. -1
Karma Codolle
Chimera Research and Development
#24 - 2013-11-03 02:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Karma Codolle
+1 this is reasonable. Theres no need to have a toon less than 60 days unless it's for exploit. I'd honestly bump it up to 90days typically gankers can get a good 60 days out of a toon before it's unusable an is recycled

This still allows espionage players more than enough reasonable time for their play style and this prevents gankers from exploiting the system

The problem still persists but thankfully not to the degree it was back when you could buddy account yourself with free plex

Mordeth Aridhol wrote:
In regards to suicide ganking, it is against the rules to use throwaway alts for it and you can be banned if you are caught.

So overall i have no idea what you are on about. -1


Against the rules but extremely hard to prove.
Eliza Loney
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-11-03 02:48:26 UTC
Mordeth Aridhol wrote:
In regards to suicide ganking, it is against the rules to use throwaway alts for it and you can be banned if you are caught.

So overall i have no idea what you are on about. -1



So where are the stats on that? Has anyone lost an account this way? Can I just petition every time I am ganked to see if it was a throwaway alt?

The problem here is there is no reliable way for US the players to confirm these things. It is on CCP ( and maybe the CSM ) to look into this type of matter.

I personally think it's a great idea, no impact to 95% of players.

Oh and because I saw no mention of it here, Awoxers need a clean record to get into most corps nowadays.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#26 - 2013-11-03 02:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Mordeth Aridhol wrote:
In regards to suicide ganking, it is against the rules to use throwaway alts for it and you can be banned if you are caught.

So overall i have no idea what you are on about. -1


Yes, exactly. But it does not mean that it isn't happening.... just like botting.

This is about at least some form of prevention. As we know, CCP has an official policy against reimbursing PvP losses unless they are server side or bug related. Victims of players who breach TOS in this way are left unprotected until the loss actually happens. Having a way to minimize the damage done by this behavior is a good thing.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#27 - 2013-11-03 06:31:07 UTC
I think someone went on a safari tour in OP's corp.

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Varalica
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-11-03 15:59:04 UTC
+1
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#29 - 2013-11-03 16:48:52 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
I think someone went on a safari tour in OP's corp.


Big smile Haha... no, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Blink

Anyway, to stay on topic... Throwaway awoxing alts are something that a good recruiter can filter out and protect the rest of the players. This thread is about all other situations where players are powerless.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#30 - 2013-11-03 18:32:39 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
I think someone went on a safari tour in OP's corp.


Big smile Haha... no, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Blink

Anyway, to stay on topic... Throwaway awoxing alts are something that a good recruiter can filter out and protect the rest of the players. This thread is about all other situations where players are powerless.
What situations?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#31 - 2013-11-03 18:43:10 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
I think someone went on a safari tour in OP's corp.


Big smile Haha... no, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Blink

Anyway, to stay on topic... Throwaway awoxing alts are something that a good recruiter can filter out and protect the rest of the players. This thread is about all other situations where players are powerless.
What situations?


Any situation that does not require joining a corp.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#32 - 2013-11-04 06:32:02 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
I think someone went on a safari tour in OP's corp.


Big smile Haha... no, I'm sorry to disappoint you. Blink

Anyway, to stay on topic... Throwaway awoxing alts are something that a good recruiter can filter out and protect the rest of the players. This thread is about all other situations where players are powerless.
What situations?


Any situation that does not require joining a corp.
Like what?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2013-11-04 06:44:28 UTC
We can start by taking all these useless forum alts, biomassing them and then changing the ownership of their posts to the character with the highest SP on the account.

That'd be.... interesting......

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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#34 - 2013-11-04 07:59:47 UTC
Just throwing an edge case into the discussion.

New Player doesn't really know the Lore and such of the game, creates 3 Characters, finds that all the names suck for the Lore in Game/Feel of the Game, or plain Mistypes and speels a naem wrong(spelling mistakes intentional) So this new player now can't re-create new toons for 60 to 90 days with a decent name, despite all 3 toons on his account being under a couple of days old. Heck one may even be under a day old.

I think the Ruling may need to be case for toons under a week old can be re-used, but once they are over a week they have the 90 day limitation
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#35 - 2013-11-04 08:36:56 UTC
Caldari 5 wrote:
Just throwing an edge case into the discussion.

New Player doesn't really know the Lore and such of the game, creates 3 Characters, finds that all the names suck for the Lore in Game/Feel of the Game, or plain Mistypes and speels a naem wrong(spelling mistakes intentional) So this new player now can't re-create new toons for 60 to 90 days with a decent name, despite all 3 toons on his account being under a couple of days old. Heck one may even be under a day old.

I think the Ruling may need to be case for toons under a week old can be re-used, but once they are over a week they have the 90 day limitation

Nicely spotted problem and a good suggestion.

One of the alternatives would be to link it to account age.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-11-04 08:58:53 UTC
Eliza Loney wrote:
Mordeth Aridhol wrote:
In regards to suicide ganking, it is against the rules to use throwaway alts for it and you can be banned if you are caught.

So overall i have no idea what you are on about. -1



So where are the stats on that? Has anyone lost an account this way? Can I just petition every time I am ganked to see if it was a throwaway alt?

The problem here is there is no reliable way for US the players to confirm these things. It is on CCP ( and maybe the CSM ) to look into this type of matter.

I personally think it's a great idea, no impact to 95% of players.

Oh and because I saw no mention of it here, Awoxers need a clean record to get into most corps nowadays.


Add them to your contact list, see if they enter the corp 'doomheim' if they do they're biomassed.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-11-04 11:59:36 UTC
+1

Disposable alts are awesome, fun and generally good looking but its still an absolutely ******** mechanic.

Travelling at the speed of love.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#38 - 2013-11-04 14:02:27 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
This thread is about all other situations where players are powerless.
I'll ask again, what situations?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-11-04 14:51:13 UTC
Might I suggest that there be a dedicated slot just for forum alts that isn't time limited. That would solve the problem of having an alt for purchases and to make anonymous comments on forums, but wouldn't allow them to abuse that capability in game. Our meta-game activities shouldn't limit our in-game activities and that's what's being crossed right now.

Other than that, I completely agree. I also believe you should be able to rename your character in the first 7 days or so of life. But after that you have a reputation. They could even make the official naming ceremony something in-game and lore-based. So you pick you short-term name which does a temporary reserve on it, but you can go to this place and rename yourself in that seven day period.

I believe that solves both major concerns nicely while preserving the purity and efficacy of the original idea.
Frozen Chief
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-11-04 15:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Frozen Chief
Mag's wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
This thread is about all other situations where players are powerless.
I'll ask again, what situations?
Learn to communicate like a respectful human being and he might respond to you. I wouldn't have given you even 1 response so far.

I don't agree with the OP here and I do think you've touched on some fine points. Why not present them in an appropriate manner? Can make for much better discussion.
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