Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's why I asked what is the "role" pirate battleships fulfill? Before you answer that having as high DPS as possible, that "role" is bound to more than half of ships in EVE.


That's a bullshit, with all respect. Kronos on SiSi is better than Kronos on TQ and is almost as good as Machariel. Vargur on SiSi isn't any worse than on TQ, where it's already very good, and in some cases may be better. And nowhere it is said or written that Marauders are supposed to be better ISK printers than other ships. ISK printing is not a role too.


I agree that Marauders in Incursions are getting screwed and I understand bitterness of this community. But it's about the only area where those ships are getting receiving end.


But sir, I never said the role is tanking. Yes, it's a tool. The role, as I understand it, is ability to engage solo or in small gangs, both in PVE and in PVP.

The use of MJD does not preclude ability to fit AB or MWD, you know.

But well, it's your choice. If they prices will drop like all doomsayers preach, I may even buy a second hull, to keep just in case.

what class wh was that in? what was the fit? did you have at least 2 1600 plates fitted? were you running armor links? (mandatory in c5) I will see about testing the vargur in sisi this weekend thoigh I do not have access to links :(

I'm sorry but you've lost me when you started praising mobility and lamenting loss of drone bandwidth in the same sentence. Or you're going to tell me you're using heavy drones for significant improvement of mission running performance?

Mind you that the bastion cycle is one minute. It's the time to kill 3, maybe 4 battleships so it's quite valid tactic to MJD into or near another large group, cycle bastion and get busy shooting. After the cycle ends then decide whether to carry on or to move on. It's quite an alternative to speed+sig tanking of before (which is still valid if anyone wants).

About looting bonus, it's selling point to me was its utility, not exclusivity and to me it's still as useful as it was. If you trained Marauders mostly for improved tractor then I can imagine how did you feel when CCP introduced Noctis. And BTW, this exclusivity is already a bit overstretched since Marauders share this bonus with Strategic Cruisers.

nah its cool I also overreacted. we run a lot of c3 since we have a lot of members that cant run the cap escalations so we do all kinds of zany stuff. our fleet looks more like a pvp fleet than a sleeper ratting fleet. the vargur as is makes a great rr suport ship with 1k added dps. with bastion it will rip c3 and c4 to shreds because it can salvage the sites while running them and the mjd and extra tank will be amazing as well. you only problem is ofcourse the 1min timer on bastion but there are ways of staying relatively safe.

what I am most interested in though is ofcourse the possible usesin c5. itd be great for example to clear high end gas and ore sites without needing a carrier and even clearing cruisers in combat sites. everytjing I know tells me that itd work great but I will want to test it on sisi.

Please don't forget to drop a note how it went. :)

for sure! I just need to find someone with links on sisi. though I can not fly the armor marauders, yet.

The loss from bastion is more than just 1 minute. The unbastioned vargur only needs to move about 4km to gain an advantage over the bastioned bastioned one, which it can more than accomplish in the one min cycle. Past the cycle the mobile vargur can maintain that advantage for a longer period of time, because the unbastioned one needs to make up that distance in position. At very close ranges, the mobile vargur surpasses the bastioned one with its ability to reduce the angular of its targets. The falloff advantage of bastion also mean less at these ranges, and even comparing 3 TCS on bastioned vs 2 TCS on mobile, the bastioned vargur still falls behind

As for looting, if you arnt doing it on tq, you should be using a different ship as another ship. Ex machariel. As it will yield faster clear time and more isk. Noctis doesnt play a roll here. A loot as you go clear is better isk over time per character than clear + return, or using a dedicated alt.

there are a lot of requirements to fly it, do you know how long you have to wait to fly a marauder-sentry ship? " When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot neither be remote assisted or remote assist in any way" it will give a bit balance? pvp and fleet usage may be nerfed a little bit.. (triage mode off)

Tried in Paladin in a C5, but I did not had a slave set.

YEt, they a re still not there at the level they woudl need to be to risk them on a C5. As I said they woudl need to have another 1k, 1200k n their tanking layers.