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To 618,003,000.00 ISK Buy Orders price x 10 in Jita IV 4 Navy Plant 0 minutes ago.

Any link(s) to CCP's take down on those tricks or ongoing reports directly sent and addressed to them (personally or corporately)?

To the extent people buy less Plex because they get they get 100million more bang for their buck buying GTCs from SOMER, ccp there would be less PLEX coming to market.

The offset to that is that all of that gambling motivates more $ being used to buy plex.....

... we can all take wild ass guesses of our own.. My wild ass guess , from personal knowledge of peoples behavior in the world beyond EVE,

I'd certainly guess that there are a lot more people using $ to buy plex because of the intoxication of wanting to gamble more and having lost their isk.. than there are people who are tight with their $ and look for the most efficient way to use real $ to buy pixels.

That would mean more plex coming onto the market.. which would certainly be a force towards lowering the price of plex.... a force that direction.. they're helping plex/isk price from rising even more.

... as for the RMT issue... yeah SOMER Blink is finding a way to use ISK as a motivation to get people to buy gametime from them instead of from others. They get more $ in commisions from the use of isk . By the same token, given my wild ass guess above (which i'm almos certain is correct).. .. they help CCP sell GTCs to a crowd of people beyond those that would have bought them without the gambling .

Clearly CCP wants to sell more net GTCS ... and clearly CCP already anticpated paying $ commisions to GTC sellers.

The people running SOMER Blink are putting in real Out of game human hours into the operation of the marketing /gaming site.. doing programing etc. In that sense they are getting paid for their time doing Meta work that helps the game with $ ...

yes I understand how the use of isk to get more "work" could be called a ISK to $ shift in the end. BUT, the work involved and the fact that ONLY somer employees are profitting that way really tempers the idea that this is a way that people can turn isk into $ without work that is worth real world $

tempers.. that means it is not as starkly clear..... softens the effect. or whatever

SOMER has a clear way of making the ISK that they use as bonuses with GTC purchases ... they're not buying it with $ from third parties. Basically.. those that lose in auctions are paying people who buy GTCs at the auctions extra isk along with their purchase.

It is a clever marketing scheme but.. not anyway to make real $ without real life work.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A2CI8LE/ref=dsvrt_review_asin_detail

This for real? 3 PLEX for 5 dollah??? If it is I can imagine this having a rather profound effect on PLEX pricing....

I see PLEX market is being brutally manipulated: during last 3 days someone is fulfilling hundreds of buying orders in Jita including those 30-50mil below normal cost (630mil => 580mil).

Either it's Russian oligarch (again) - or CCP themselves use artificially generated PLEXes to suppress prices growth.

Want cheaper plex? Just place 580-585mil buy order in Jita next Friday - even if normal price will be 650mil.

It get's better: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3795441#post3795441

So let's say Amazon is out something like $50,000, which is enough to get someone fired. Amazon has terms in their standard "agreement" that says that they can reverse sales if there was an incorrect price listed. There is also a mechanism in place for resellers to notify CCP if PLEX were purchased fraudulently so CCP can freeze the account. Amazon clearly wants its money back and CCP would probably like to avoid the bad publicity involved in seizing in-game assets or banning accounts for something that was clearly the fault of its reseller.

Let's just say that this is probably going to be worked out between Amazon and CCP at some high level. My guess is that CCP will probably end up eating most of it. So maybe Dr. E is going to have to dip into his stash again? Call it an accidental intervention? No harm done really.

Exactly my thoughts but I would have taken 3 times the words to say it by elaborating on how I came to the conclusions ... lol

(btw I think you meant ~maybe Dr. E is NOT going to have to dip into his stash again ~ )

as for the "no harm" .. .. . if you're playing this sandbox by measuring your abosolute position relative to others rather than how well you personally cope with what is presented to you.. in that small minded way of seeing thigns a person would be hurt.

of course.. if you value your play compared to others.. there will always be some "injustice" to be mad at.. people will always be able to outgrind you with more hours.. be ahead for more years in the game.. or ahead because they don't have a wife to bother them etc...

... all sorts of meta things effect the game.. in this case a retailer's mistake tossed out a couple thousand months of game time at 1/10th their retail price to a focused hundreds of players. The vast majority of those months sold will not canibalize cash sales ...and CCP is only those that would have otherwise been paid full price for by the particular buyers invovled (given those buyers habits, personal finances an attitudes on what is a prudent abount to spend on a video game).

The magnitude might be enough to help polish off the intervention that will be needed until the patch comes out.... which is coming soon.. with the winter holidays not far behind .. both of which seem to bring more player sold plex to the ingame markets.

It is only forgone income if those additional plex get used by people who would have otherwise paid $ .


This has two sides to it.. 1) Forgone game time activated, and 2)forgone Plex sales at full price -

1) People like me who currently use 8 plex a month to have more characters but never would have paid more than 15$ a month don't cost CCP ANY forgone income for 7 of the 8 plex I use.

It is the motivations of the end plex activator that determine whether or not any income was truly forgone via activation.

--- there are nuances here about changed motivations based on absolute isk/plex ratio determined by changed supply and demand but the volume of the sales are not enough to shift that equation drastically if you're looking at a 200 day moving averate

2) Sales, not forgone in number of units but forgone at a price point -
--- clearly CCP revenue is less selling 1000 plex for $15,000 vs selling 1000 plex for $1500 but even here the motivations of the buyers are very important. To the extent that buyers who were ready to buy 3 plex at $45 instead bought 3 plex for $5 there would be a real loss. However, I seriously doubt that most of those buyers didn't say to themselves "hell, at this price, I'll buy far more than I would have ever paid $15 a piece for" . That "hell more" number really didn't cost CCP anything to the extent they are used by players like me who are "as long as i'm only paying with game assets I made for fun, I'll use another 7"

I don't think any rational person could argue that some portion of say 3000 units sold would never have been purchased if not for the price ... we can argue percentages with me saying only 1/10 were forgone full rpice sales and someone else saying 7/10 were forgone full price sales ... but whatever number you use it decreases the delta between $15 and $1.66 by some amount.

Yes there is some forgone income.. but I'd guess that it is a very small fraction of the few thousand plex "given away" at 1.66 cents a piece. I'd guess that it is only about 10% of the volume.. and that's an amount % that Amazon might eat ..


--- another analogies.. even though we'e gone over this time and time again and people really want to cling to the notion that if some plex are valued at $15 by some buyers.. all plex in the game have a $15 value and also have a reciprical cost to CCP of $15 when activiated


Music industry estimates of IP $ Stolen by illegal music downloads : They are certainly entitled to quot a retail price of all the music illegally downloaded.. but they're bald face irrational liars (or dillusionional, if they aren't dishonest) to actually believe that when someone downloades 200 songs illegally, those same people would have actually bought all 200 at full price ..... any rational personal knows that those grabbing things in bulk like that would probably not even bough 20 of those 200 songs they "took"/"stole" etc. Music industry "losses" are not the retail value of the 200 songs but the retail value of which of those recordings would have other wise been paid for

"retail value" does not equate to "value of loss"

**** and there would be further argument that if giving away products to people who would not have bought them actually increases their popularity and motivates other people(who do not steal/illegally download) to buy with real $ what they would have thought about without the "robbers" introducing them to it ... but that's a marketing element that only marketing people can make educated guesses at by their expertise in modelling consumer behavior.

why you calling dr e? call him buy his frist eve name ffs.


they are injecting them plex into the market for the quiet time. had fun :)

Jita PLEX 599/590.

You call that a ******* sale? Here in Euro country it's 16 euro a plex, if you buy a sixpack. That's close to like $20 or something a PLEX?