EVE General Discussion

Lots of people have been discussing the potential threat of the new Siphon units, in particular to small corps mining moons in lowsec. It might well be that this could be the case. But i'm interested in using them for what CCP is hinting at, stealing stuff directly from the Alliances! As a member of a wormhole corp, access to random areas of null sec are fairly common.

With that in mind, i've come to realise my knowledge of the distribution of the various nullsec moons is extremely limited. They've dominated the valuable moons for a long time now, and such information can be found realitively easily with good old google. But, thats hardly helpful when i'm exiting a wormhole into a completely random corner of the universe.

So, does any enterprising capsuleer have a flashy graphic map that clearly displays the locations of the Alliances main moons? Also, do they tend to be grouped together in populated areas, or seperate and isolated (or both!). A general feel of how Alliances protect their moon-mining POS' is what i'm trying to get at here.

And finally, how does someone actually steal something from a POS considering the siphon needs to be 50km from the POS, well within the range of the guns? Any significant attack on the POS itself is likely to draw the attention of the local Alliance pretty damn fast, and everyone knows those damn ****-stars can be a right pain in the arse.

Regardless, i think they're going to be alot of fun!

There was a good article on www.themittani.com about this some time ago.

Good to know! That was just one of various sites i posted as an example. Is it likely that most public resources for moon information will be inaccurate for the reasons you state? Are there any that are reliable and up-to-date, or is this sort of information closely guarded by the null sec Alliances for obvious reasons?



You're direct link to the site is a tad unhelpful, but i assume you're refering to this. Interesting, though mostly focusing on the fountain. Still, every little helps.

Good luck!
I'd be incredibly surprised if a Siphon itself doesn't give some sort of warning to the alliance holding it and I it's going to have a tiny EHP (like 100k or so). So the chances of getting one it, without the guns killing you, it staying up long enough to steal more than it costs, then you successfully looting it and moving that to the market? Slim...

And look at the reward. Let's take Dysprosium.
Every hour it steals around 2.4m isk worth (3m loss to the alliance as 20% is waste). It taps out in 20 hours at around 48m worth (60m loss to the alliance). So this means you have to have it up for over 4 hours, and get the product shipped, just to break even. Not to mention, it's got no locks on it, so anyone can steal all your loot!

Basically it's all exciting right now because everyone's like "oh alliances are rich, and this steals from alliances, thus I WILL BE RICH!", while they don't about how alliances are rich because they hold thousands of moons.

I give this a week before people are simply bored of replacing them for no gain.

That is why I have been saying that pos siphon units at the very very most might provide a very slight annoyance for a couple of people in null sec alliances.

The other hand is that those small corps who are making a few hundred mil per month from the low sec moon pos's.. well you can kiss them goodbye.

Well, depends, remember they aren't targeted by the guns automatically, requires someone manning them to do that. So you could feasibly sweep through an area and deploy them on selected targets. You can deploy more than one remember, slapping up 10 would increase the amount you're stealing immensely. Assuming i'm hitting a moon-goo POS pretty close to my wormhole exit, getting the goods back to market would be a piece of cake!

But, i'm admitting my biggest obstacle is my lack of available knowledge regarding null sec moon-goo operations. I'm assuming they're not particularly time intensive processes that require alot of constant hands-on attention. They're setup to run, and people come back when needed. Does this mean they'd be more vulnerable to this sort of hit and run steal attack?

I would listen to Javajunky's EVE Vegas presentation for an idea of what it takes to run POS farms..

Some people will be more prepared than others for pos siphons, yes

Unless you are a glutton for punishment, just put moon harvesters on your overview and use D-SCAN to find moons that are harvesting.

If you want to be 100% sure the moon is of value then just wait a bit and, count up the numbers of siphons already deployed.

Wormholes mean that no one is going to stop you waltzing in and putting your siphons down if they aren't manning their POS 23.5/7

They will manage to keep that up for about 21 days before they fail to keep vigilant and revert back to the bad current ways.

Expect all Siphons put down in the first 14 days to be 'out of corp' alts lol GG

OP: Moon maps are very easy to get your hands on. Get any alt inside any corp of any major alliance and go to "alliance bulletins". Most will have one up. Same for JB networks, POS placement...