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Somer just got stopped

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-10-28 20:23:55 UTC
A good man (or woman (or non gender title cis scum)) fighting the good fight. Enjoy your awesome trip, new car, rent money and/or early retirement!

And thanks for the isk.

No sig.

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#102 - 2013-10-28 21:38:34 UTC

What an interesting conundrum.

The current form:
CCP wins because people purchase GTC's indirectly from them, for profit.
The retailer wins because they sell GTC's for profit.
The referral group wins because they get some RL money to help cover expenses.

Given the ability to give away ingame assets at will, Given the existence of out-of-game assets that can be gifted as incentives (blink credits, etc), the only solution to this form of Isk-to-RL money is for CCP to disallow retailers from giving referral kickbacks.

As someone all-to-aware of the cost in hosting a medium sized website, with VOIP services, and the like, referrals are a nice tool for covering these expenses. To give folks an idea, these can easily be $100-1000+ / year depending on the level of hosting you need.

Katarina, while I appreciate your evil-genius manipulation of this system to RMT your ingame assets, I fear the result:

a.) CCP changes the contracts with GTC retailers to eliminate kickbacks. At which point, I despise you. This not only undermines the business model of sites like shattered crystal, but it also hinders the ability of fansites to cover expenses.

b.) CCP allows this to continue, and essentially results in a CCP sanctioned RMT business model. This will again hurt fansites (which won't have the in-game assets to compete against RMTers), and might even disrupt the ingame economy (although the amount of RMT'ing that can be accomplished by this is very much limited by the number of people willing to buy GTCs).

Is there an option I'm not seeing? Is there a result that doesn't hurt EvE fan sites?
hipeanut2006
Ice Fire Warriors
#103 - 2013-10-28 22:42:12 UTC
2x 60 day ETCs bought, mail sent! Smile
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-10-28 22:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Is there an option I'm not seeing? Is there a result that doesn't hurt EvE fan sites?

Disallow sites giving any incentive for purchasing GTCs through their affiliate links. You want to support a site you like? Fine, buy GTCs through them. But you can't say "if you buy GTCs through my link you will get X as a reward". (where X is ISK, "credits", paperclips, etc.)
probag Bear
Xiong Offices
#105 - 2013-10-29 00:24:32 UTC
Since you already seem to have a reputation and customer base going, and are eventually going to run out of isk. Have you been able to think of a way to let other kind-hearted individuals wanting to help incentivize GTC sales do so through your service, legally? I for one would love to be as "philanthropic [sic]" as SOMER Blink, were it not for the associated real-world overhead costs. But if you find a way to partially compensate donors to your service, I've got a stack of 25bil gathering dust in Jita that I'm just aching to get rid of. Hell, if I can, I might even funnel the rest of my profits into your charity until the day it becomes unavailable.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#106 - 2013-10-29 01:14:37 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Is there an option I'm not seeing? Is there a result that doesn't hurt EvE fan sites?

Disallow sites giving any incentive for purchasing GTCs through their affiliate links. You want to support a site you like? Fine, buy GTCs through them. But you can't say "if you buy GTCs through my link you will get X as a reward". (where X is ISK, "credits", paperclips, etc.)


While this works in theory, can CCP pragmatically enforce this?

In game philanthropy is not only allowed, but blatantly encouraged. Plex for "save the kittens" or this cause or that cause has been routinely implemented. Giving away assets and isk is pretty common, so now CCP would have to determine if said give away was out of the goodness of your heart or to incentive someone to use your link. I realize when investigating the asset transactions, the case becomes more clear.... but this seems like a real headache to monitor and enforce.

Furthermore, what is CCP going to do about rule breakers....
For the buyer: Revoke the GTC when bought completely legally? And if they don't, the buyer has nothing to lose. That's certainly not going to go over well.

For the seller: Revoke their remaining assets? The boon to the seller is from the 3rd party that's selling more GTC's (i.e. win win), and completely outside of CCP's hands. CCP's hands are probably further bound by contracts that give said 3rd parties the right to reward referralers.


Alex Sikhel
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2013-10-29 02:26:47 UTC
Waiting for my paycheck to come in, hopefully wont run out of isk by then. Looks like you wont so good news for me

probag Bear wrote:
Since you already seem to have a reputation and customer base going, and are eventually going to run out of isk. Have you been able to think of a way to let other kind-hearted individuals wanting to help incentivize GTC sales do so through your service, legally? I for one would love to be as "philanthropic [sic]" as SOMER Blink, were it not for the associated real-world overhead costs. But if you find a way to partially compensate donors to your service, I've got a stack of 25bil gathering dust in Jita that I'm just aching to get rid of. Hell, if I can, I might even funnel the rest of my profits into your charity until the day it becomes unavailable.


If you wanna get rid of 25b I'm always welcome to kind acts of charity Lol. Going to use this service to get a lil extra isk in my pockets and still renew my subs seems like a solid win win.
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#108 - 2013-10-29 02:34:47 UTC
60 day GTC Bought and Email sent :)

Also to add to this conversation.....More on her cause Taken up by Mittens site TMC: http://themittani.com/features/more-135k-somer-finances-investigated
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-10-29 02:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
probag Bear wrote:
Since you already seem to have a reputation and customer base going, and are eventually going to run out of isk. Have you been able to think of a way to let other kind-hearted individuals wanting to help incentivize GTC sales do so through your service, legally? I for one would love to be as "philanthropic [sic]" as SOMER Blink, were it not for the associated real-world overhead costs. But if you find a way to partially compensate donors to your service, I've got a stack of 25bil gathering dust in Jita that I'm just aching to get rid of. Hell, if I can, I might even funnel the rest of my profits into your charity until the day it becomes unavailable.


Working on ways to be a 3rd party for Isk incentives. "Commissions from Affiliates that you sign up credits your Affiliate Account 1% per sale they generate." So i can do this and get 1% for me and you still get the normal 5% commison for yourself. I also have ideas along the lines of running a corp where its the corp that runs the affilate link. So join corp > give isk > isk incentive payed out > commissions shared. I was thinking people just give me isk and i run it through my service then i pay them $. There is more stuff im looking into just need to walk the rule line careful.

As for peeps waiting you know i said within 24hours. The reason i say that is cuz i need to sleep sometimes

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Is there an option I'm not seeing? Is there a result that doesn't hurt EvE fan sites?

How about you make a fansite cuz well your a fan? Why do you need the $, free account and Scopians.
Zigzagg Zoom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2013-10-29 03:25:30 UTC
Received 5.5B for exchanging (10) 60 Days.

Good stuff. Thank you.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#111 - 2013-10-29 03:51:56 UTC
Disco Soliloquy wrote:
Katarina Reid wrote:
If you click my affiliate link which sends you to shattered crystal then buy a 60-Day GTC or multiple 60-Day GTC's. I will pay you 500mil bonus isk with every 60-Day GTC you buy. For large orders 20+ 60-Day GTC's contact me first and i will sort a better rate.
You are selling yourself short. Basically your giving away 500M ISK to put $1.75 into your pocket.

That is way under market value. You'd be better off reducing that to about 225M ISK ... something a tad higher than Somer, but still preferable. 200M Blink Credit vs. 225 M ISK ... the choice is obvious.



It appears that a Cartel needs to be created...
Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers
#112 - 2013-10-29 04:46:59 UTC
Katarina Reid wrote:

As for peeps waiting you know i said within 24hours. The reason i say that is cuz i need to sleep sometimes



I was Being Patient, didn't Expect it till tomorrow, Hope you slept well! Isk Recieve and thousand Thanks and good luck walking that Line!
hipeanut2006
Ice Fire Warriors
#113 - 2013-10-29 07:48:53 UTC
1bil recieved from 2x 60 days, cheers mate :)
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2013-10-29 08:43:59 UTC
Have you got your ishukone watch scorpions off CCP yet?
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-10-29 09:02:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
virm pasuul wrote:
Have you got your ishukone watch scorpions off CCP yet?

Not yet should get them anyday now:)

Oh anyone who has alot of isk and wants to turn it to cash the same as im doing evemail me saying how much isk you got. Looks like next week i will be running a 3rd party service free as long as you sign up for a affiliate account with shattered crystal and through my link Join the affiilate program . Basiclly you will get the normal affiliate 5% of sales and i get a additional 1% of the sales you make. So its free for you and you make the same money.I will send all my customers to you guys. I will do checks when someone claims your scamming and i can verify things. Im still working more of the details out with shattered crystal but they are very supportive. I will do this when i run out of isk.
Espenson
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-10-29 09:14:04 UTC
Confirming prompt receipt of 1 billion ISK having bought 2 timecodes.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#117 - 2013-10-29 09:24:49 UTC
Confirming receipt.
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2013-10-29 09:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Katarina Reid
Wallet is at 0 I have a 28b offer on darth which i dont want to take yet think i can get more for him. I can keep taking orders and they will be done within 24hours if your worried just wait. My wallet is here http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katarina_Reid pw 123
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Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2013-10-29 09:50:48 UTC
Great service, got the ISK within the hour
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-10-29 10:49:12 UTC