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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-10-27 01:30:08 UTC
Talvenan wrote:
i edited my post

and why would i need to link an entire fit when all i need to compare are those modules


The edit is better (though you might want to use scorch on those pulse lasers) but the reason for an entire fit is because no ship is just that module. That module presents a purposeful part of the ship but it is the ship as a whole that is fighting not just one module type.

From what you've showed the mega has more DPS and greater range dictation then the sentry fit domi unless it's also using long range guns in which case the mega still has better range dictation as it can fight from 80-180km+ easily within 5 seconds. It can't lose it's damage during combat unless it's entirely destroyed either.

The domi itself needs to make a choice. With no main weapon system to fit in its high slots it has a lot of options. Most important of which is whether to keep it's flexibility with drones by sticking close enough to sentries to scoop them and redeploy or to abandon them and utilize a secondary (ewar, long/short range guns, nos/neuts) weapon system against the enemy. These are things the mega can not do and where the truth strength and potential weakness of the dominix lies.

Besides couldn't a blaster fit MJD mega be just as much if not more of a threat on grid then a sentry domi?

Just examining SOME of the possiblities of the domi vs other ships of its class show more then enough why the current ODTL is not OP for drone boats, especially if it is only seeing heavy use on said drone boats in the first place.
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#22 - 2013-10-27 01:42:37 UTC
From what i can see the only big difference between sentrys and other weapon systems is that they cannot move.

Both a mega and domi can be fit to hit 180km and the domi would still do it better because it gets both bonuses, only 1 of the ships even needs to target 180km and all drones controlled by 1 person.

A domi can fit 3 seperat sets of 5 sentrys in its drone bay so it isnt that limited to dictate range.

Another option would be to remove the dual bonus off ships like the domi to range and tracking and give it only 1 like other BS's
Crania
Aplac Org.
#23 - 2013-10-27 01:44:05 UTC
Still looking around for overpowerd omnitracking link fits. Sentry drones have similarities to turrets yes, but still not the same.

They are mobile as ..... nvm. They stay cold if you try to overheat them. They are indestructable.

Oh they dont need ammo (for some people they are ammo).

And i still see most players prefer turrets....

So the passive omni tracking link is one of the last reason to use a sentry droneboat?
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-10-27 01:54:20 UTC
Talvenan wrote:
From what i can see the only big difference between sentrys and other weapon systems is that they cannot move.


You might have an argument if this detail wasn't one of the single largest things to account for in any fight. Further how can it dictate range with 3 sets of sentries. Long, Longer and sniper range? They're still boned the second a frig gets within 30km of them. Even in large fleet fights it would just take one proper warp in, a couple of smartbombs or a single bombing run to take out a fleets worth of sentries.

Sentries are NOT over powered with or without ODTL.
You can't change their ammo to change ranges you have to change sentries which requires you to stay close.
You can't overheat them for extra range/damage/ROF
You can't boost their power unless you make them your main weapon system thus nerfing other weapons you could fit

For most other ships drones are extra damage and flexibility but the for the domi it IS it's damage. Take those away and it's hardly a match for other ships of it's class except as a brawler which makes it predictable. Besides this is one of the only ships to fit the drone sniper role, what else would/could you use?

Show an example of a fit and a scenario or two in which it is overpowered. Then show that this fit/scenario is a common thing in New Eden, THEN tell us it's OP.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#25 - 2013-10-27 02:39:27 UTC
Talvenan wrote:
From what i can see the only big difference between sentrys and other weapon systems is that they cannot move.

Both a mega and domi can be fit to hit 180km and the domi would still do it better because it gets both bonuses, only 1 of the ships even needs to target 180km and all drones controlled by 1 person.

A domi can fit 3 seperat sets of 5 sentrys in its drone bay so it isnt that limited to dictate range.

Another option would be to remove the dual bonus off ships like the domi to range and tracking and give it only 1 like other BS's


Because being able to fight aligned without risking losing your weapons is such a minor advantage that every other stat has to be same Roll

Drone assist is broken, there isn't a drone pilot who will disagree with you on that. Everything else is fine.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-10-27 03:09:07 UTC
Posting in Talvenan's stealth nerf drone boats thread.Roll
zbaaca
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#27 - 2013-10-27 03:40:50 UTC
Lyra Gerie wrote:

Show an example of a fit and a scenario or two in which it is overpowered. Then show that this fit/scenario is a common thing in New Eden, THEN tell us it's OP.

drop sentrys ~70km from gate jump 100km away. assist to inter or something. align .
btw full immune to ewar while assisted.

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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-10-27 07:22:54 UTC
zbaaca wrote:
Lyra Gerie wrote:

Show an example of a fit and a scenario or two in which it is overpowered. Then show that this fit/scenario is a common thing in New Eden, THEN tell us it's OP.

drop sentrys ~70km from gate jump 100km away. assist to inter or something. align .
btw full immune to ewar while assisted.


Don't engage and just jump back?
Stjaerna Ramundson
#29 - 2013-10-28 01:02:09 UTC
I don't get the part for "op" for the modul .. think this is only a trolling thread cO
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#30 - 2013-10-28 01:31:35 UTC
An additional note on range of sentry drones...

No matter how much lock range you have, or how much range the Drone itself has, it still won't engage anything outside your drone control range, and the drone itself has to also be within that range.

If you want to engage anything with a Sentry at better than 60k, you need to start filling highs with Drone Link Augmenters. You could technically fly out 59.9km, target something directly on the other side of you and have them shoot it from 120, but that's a lot of maneuvering in ship that wins no prizes on speed.

The only exception to this that I know if is if you move out of range while they are already engaged on a target they will keep fighting until it's destroyed, and then go Idle if nothing else is within your control range.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#31 - 2013-10-28 02:52:19 UTC
Talvenan wrote:

Both a mega and domi can be fit to hit 180km and the domi would still do it better because it gets both bonuses, only 1 of the ships even needs to target 180km and all drones controlled by 1 person.

If your domi reaches that far you're doing something stupid with your highs.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#32 - 2013-10-28 03:30:46 UTC
Since there seems to be quite a few of them flying around, I'm just going to leave this here. No, I don't mean drones.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#33 - 2013-10-28 03:41:17 UTC
Drones can be destroyed... Balance restored.
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