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Thye
Sure Thing Logistics
#1 - 2013-10-26 19:15:46 UTC
I am a trader, making good profits but in need of liquidity. I am seeking an investor who would like to invest for the long term.

My initial proposal is to request an investment of up to 1 billion, paying an interest of 5% per month (i.e. 600 million per annum). The ideal investor would want to keep this billion invested long term and receive payments each month in perpetuity. Depending on the interest in this offer, multiple investors could invest in multiples of 100 million, with the total investment cap still at 1 billion.

If you want to withdraw the investment, this can be done at any time, with 2 weeks notice. I would prefer an investor who would like to keep the investment over the long term, but this option is here if you need to use the funds elsewhere.

This is my first investment offer, but it will not be the last. It is very probable that future offers may be at higher interest rates. Any prior investors will get first refusal on future offers before they are offered publicly.

No collateral is offered on the investment, as all assets are either used or sold, and then reinvested directly. I am more than happy to use third party vetting services, or other methods to verify the profitability of my trading operation.

As this is my first investment offer, I welcome any feedback or questions.
Jerex Deka
Tempest Shipyards
#2 - 2013-10-26 20:06:30 UTC
Good luck getting your loan filled, it's not easy to do on this forum, especially as of lately. (See loan threads and read them through)

Reason I'm posting is if you want this loan to be filled without collateral you should offer more interest, with my loan of 3b I offered 2.5% interest WEEKLY amounting to 75m, it's also a set rate so no matter the remaining balance that is what I pay.

I'd suggest doing something like that, it makes it a little more profitable for the investor.

Plus if you did the same thing as me it's only 25m a week and if your any good at station trading that should be chump change!

Anywho just my .02.

Good luck
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-10-26 20:06:59 UTC
I'm sure plenty of people will tell you to sell a couple of PLEX and enjoy the ride. Blink

For what it's worth though, you might seek out a few of those individuals with threads advertising "micro loans".

Best of luck in your future as an EvE tycoon. Blink

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Thye
Sure Thing Logistics
#4 - 2013-10-26 20:19:58 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people will tell you to sell a couple of PLEX and enjoy the ride. Blink

For what it's worth though, you might seek out a few of those individuals with threads advertising "micro loans".

Best of luck in your future as an EvE tycoon. Blink


Yes, it would be possible to just buy some plex, but this is more about finding investors to work with over the long term than it is about the isk.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#5 - 2013-10-27 02:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Thye wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people will tell you to sell a couple of PLEX and enjoy the ride. Blink

For what it's worth though, you might seek out a few of those individuals with threads advertising "micro loans".

Best of luck in your future as an EvE tycoon. Blink


Yes, it would be possible to just buy some plex, but this is more about finding investors to work with over the long term than it is about the isk.


It's not about the ISK, but you want to build a relationship with people who have ISK?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#6 - 2013-10-27 10:59:19 UTC
Thye wrote:
I am a trader, making good profits but in need of liquidity. I am seeking an investor who would like to invest for the long term.

My initial proposal is to request an investment of up to 1 billion, paying an interest of 5% per month (i.e. 600 million per annum). The ideal investor would want to keep this billion invested long term and receive payments each month in perpetuity. Depending on the interest in this offer, multiple investors could invest in multiples of 100 million, with the total investment cap still at 1 billion.

If you want to withdraw the investment, this can be done at any time, with 2 weeks notice. I would prefer an investor who would like to keep the investment over the long term, but this option is here if you need to use the funds elsewhere.

This is my first investment offer, but it will not be the last. It is very probable that future offers may be at higher interest rates. Any prior investors will get first refusal on future offers before they are offered publicly.

No collateral is offered on the investment, as all assets are either used or sold, and then reinvested directly. I am more than happy to use third party vetting services, or other methods to verify the profitability of my trading operation.

As this is my first investment offer, I welcome any feedback or questions.


5% a month as first investment, requiring to keep ISK immobilized long term and no collateral?

Please understand that this is totally irrealistic.

I have 80B doing nothing right now and they'll stay like that until I get a serious request.

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Thye
Sure Thing Logistics
#7 - 2013-10-27 14:23:05 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Thye wrote:


Yes, it would be possible to just buy some plex, but this is more about finding investors to work with over the long term than it is about the isk.


It's not about the ISK, but you want to build a relationship with people who have ISK?


As I said before it is more about building a long-term relationship with an investor, than it is about the isk. The immediate investment would enable me to grow my trading operation in the short term a little, but not significantly. Having a long-term partnership with an investor is much more valuable.
Thoraemond
Far Ranger
#8 - 2013-10-27 15:54:33 UTC
Thye wrote:
As I said before it is more about building a long-term relationship with an investor, than it is about the isk. The immediate investment would enable me to grow my trading operation in the short term a little, but not significantly. Having a long-term partnership with an investor is much more valuable.

Compare:

Someone with a similar approach wrote:
As I said before it is more about building a long-term relationship with [someone who has more ISK than sense], than it is about the isk. [I don't need this particular ISK]. Identifying [someone who has more ISK than sense] is much more valuable to me so that I can pretend I will have a long-term partnership with that mark, erm, "investor".

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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#9 - 2013-10-27 16:37:31 UTC
If you want big money, you have to give big returns. Longer loans are actually HIGHER risk, which is why the real world charges higher rates for longer loans. 5% is a waste of time. If your operation can't support higher returns, then consider shorter-term loans.
582
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-10-27 17:51:12 UTC
I don't understand how a trader making good profits needs a loan and has no collateral.
Thye
Sure Thing Logistics
#11 - 2013-10-27 18:00:21 UTC
582 wrote:
I don't understand how a trader making good profits needs a loan and has no collateral.


Because assets can be sold, and then the isk used directly for trading. At the moment, my bottleneck is isk (i.e. if I had an investment, then I could grow my trading operations faster).
okoolos rimmer
Napkin Nation
#12 - 2013-10-27 18:30:02 UTC
"my bottleneck is isk"
It always is...

Start with few collateralized loans, build trust & relationships and then we can talk about an uncollateralized loan.
Like I told you in our in-game chat: getting uncollateralized loans with no history is next to impossible.


If you do insist on going that route you may require few things:
1) full API check
2) Audit
3) list of all alts & main
4) info on a general area where you trade (FW items/mins etc)
5) Scamming history (if any)
6) general list of assets
7) reasonable interest rate (at least 10%)

And yes those things are indeed a giant PITA.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#13 - 2013-10-27 19:06:52 UTC
Thye wrote:
Having a long-term partnership with an investor is much more valuable.


Why?

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flakeys
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-27 19:32:19 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Thye wrote:
Having a long-term partnership with an investor is much more valuable.


Why?



Because it's easier to say : '' Hey i found this AWSOME deal and it only lasts one more day so i need to take it NOW ...... but i lack 20 B .... , friend .''

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Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-10-27 19:51:13 UTC
okoolos rimmer wrote:
"my bottleneck is isk"
It always is...

Start with few collateralized loans, build trust & relationships and then we can talk about an uncollateralized loan.
Like I told you in our in-game chat: getting uncollateralized loans with no history is next to impossible.


If you do insist on going that route you may require few things:
1) full API check
2) Audit
3) list of all alts & main
4) info on a general area where you trade (FW items/mins etc)
5) Scamming history (if any)
6) general list of assets
7) reasonable interest rate (at least 10%)

And yes those things are indeed a giant PITA.


I don't like this "how to scam"-guide.
okoolos rimmer
Napkin Nation
#16 - 2013-10-27 20:09:03 UTC
lol wasn't intended as one.. but it'll do
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2013-10-27 22:53:44 UTC
Overly trollish and non-constructive replies were removed.

Thanks.

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Samroski
Middle-Earth
#18 - 2013-10-28 05:13:37 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
okoolos rimmer wrote:
"my bottleneck is isk"
It always is...

Start with few collateralized loans, build trust & relationships and then we can talk about an uncollateralized loan.
Like I told you in our in-game chat: getting uncollateralized loans with no history is next to impossible.


If you do insist on going that route you may require few things:
1) full API check
2) Audit
3) list of all alts & main
4) info on a general area where you trade (FW items/mins etc)
5) Scamming history (if any)
6) general list of assets
7) reasonable interest rate (at least 10%)

And yes those things are indeed a giant PITA.


I don't like this "how to scam"-guide.

Think it is more of a deterrent than a guide. Step 2 will stump most, when VV explains in detail why an audit is not immediately feasible.

My advice to the OP, in case he genuinely wants to establish a long term relationship with an investor:

Offer collateral, and a 2.5% interest rate, possibly 3-4% for the > 1 year term.

Any colour you like.
Thye
Sure Thing Logistics
#19 - 2013-10-28 12:33:26 UTC
Samroski wrote:
My advice to the OP, in case he genuinely wants to establish a long term relationship with an investor:

Offer collateral, and a 2.5% interest rate, possibly 3-4% for the > 1 year term.


A collateralised loan is beginning to seem like the best option. However, I fail to see a circumstance in which assets would not be better used by liquidating and using the isk to trade with directly.

I have talked in private conversations with many of you, and the suggestions were along the lines of "If you have some BPOs you are not currently using...". But I can sell my BPOs and trade with the funds, and not have to pay any percentage to an outside investor, so when would this ever make sense?

The only case I can envisage, is for asset classes that cannot be sold easily. But then I can't imagine investors would be keen on accepting these as collateral.

IRL, houses and land make good collateral because the original owner can retain use of the asset, and it is only seized in the event of default. There doesn't seem to be an equivalent to this here.

Am I missing something?
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#20 - 2013-10-28 12:59:49 UTC
Thye wrote:
IRL, houses and land make good collateral because the original owner can retain use of the asset, and it is only seized in the event of default. There doesn't seem to be an equivalent to this here.

BPOs can be used in this way as you can continue to produce from them while they are held as collateral.
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