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Omidirectional tracking link
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Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#1 - 2013-10-26 19:46:14 UTC
This module to me is overpowered and gives a huge bonus to both tracking and range of drones, i would like to see the module changed to something like a tracking computer with scripts and to be an active module.
marVLs
#2 - 2013-10-26 19:50:38 UTC
it's only OP to You, move on
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#3 - 2013-10-26 19:51:49 UTC
That sounds like a terrible idea.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#4 - 2013-10-26 19:52:54 UTC
Nah, drones don't need to be nerfed. I admit the module is much more powerful than it's TC equivalent but it all seems to work out in the end.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2013-10-26 20:05:49 UTC
In which way is it OP, if I may ask?

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zbaaca
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#6 - 2013-10-26 23:22:52 UTC
25% optimal+tracking for passive unscripted module not op ?
it must be like tracking comp. consume cap and use scripts. to chose something one , not both.

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Crania
Aplac Org.
#7 - 2013-10-27 00:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Crania
Yes omni tracking link is more powerfull but, are droneboats are OP with this?

(Its a different weapon system.)
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2013-10-27 00:34:43 UTC
Drones need all the love they can get tbh in terms of damage application in most cases the only time this module is OP is when its used in conjunction to ships that already have (or had) over the top bonuses to the respective stats and they've already toned the domi down a bit.
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#9 - 2013-10-27 00:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Talvenan
all with 3 x TC(unscripted)/omnidirection tracking link and 3 x damage mods

Dominix - Garde II
Tracking - 0.08606
Optimal - 71719m
DPS - 751

Megathron - 425mm Rail II (CN Antimatter)
Tracking - 0.02451
Optimal - 42986m
Falloff - 42335m
DPS - 710

Apocalypse - Mega Pulse Laser II ( Navy Multi)
Tracking - 0.0816
Optimal - 24627
Fall Off - 1411
DPS - 733
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#10 - 2013-10-27 00:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
I've got a feeling you can't directly compare drone tracking numbers to turret tracking numbers.

EDIT: Might not be true with sentries not sure.
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#11 - 2013-10-27 00:53:47 UTC
Rroff wrote:
I've got a feeling you can't directly compare drone tracking numbers to turret tracking numbers.

EDIT: Might not be true with sentries not sure.


Why not there basically 5 launchable turrets
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#12 - 2013-10-27 00:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Atleast with drones and fighters they don't apply damage anything like the equivalent turrets i.e. fighters have same sort of tracking and weapon sig as medium blasters but aren't even close to the same applied damage, heavies have better tracking and same weapon sig as medium blasters and likewise (a lot of this is due to their own motion though) not sure regarding sentries though - never really tested it to see either.


Even if sentries were OP with omni links nerfing them would hit the other drones pretty hard so it would have to be sentries that got tweaked really - most of the problems IMO is due to ships with drone optimal and tracking bonuses though.
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-27 00:57:23 UTC
Talvenan wrote:
Rail mega vs domi both with 3 x TC(unscripted)/omnidirection tracking link and 3 x damage mods

Garde II
Tracking - 0.08606
Optimal - 71719m

425mm Rail II
Tracking - 0.02451
Optimal - 42986m
Falloff - 42335m


You can't cherry pick stats. Show an entire fit and compare everything, then try and figure out 2 or 3 battle situations and how they would fair. You didn't even mention ammo on the rail fit and you didnt mention DPS either. Or the fact that the mega could if it wanted field 3 additional sentry drones of its own.

Also that it can move without worry of losing it's weapon system. Also if the domi moves it can't switch its drones which are its main source of damage making it less flexible if the ship needs to move.

Still, not quite sure why you would mention they have 3x damage mods and not mention their dps.
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#14 - 2013-10-27 00:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Talvenan
i edited my post

and why would i need to link an entire fit when all i need to compare are those modules
Lair Osen
#15 - 2013-10-27 01:02:24 UTC
Well with moving drones you have to consider what all that flying around does to their tracking, and with sentries you have to deal with the fact that you can't do any maneuvers to reduce the effects of enemy movement.
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#16 - 2013-10-27 01:05:33 UTC
Lair Osen wrote:
Well with moving drones you have to consider what all that flying around does to their tracking, and with sentries you have to deal with the fact that you can't do any maneuvers to reduce the effects of enemy movement.


for heavys you would script it with a tracking speed

when using sentry drones you could also change it to tracking and use a longer range drone like a rail mega would use longer range ammo and tracking scripts, but with the omnidirectional it gets both range and tracking.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2013-10-27 01:06:15 UTC
Talvenan wrote:
all with 3 x TC(unscripted)/omnidirection tracking link and 3 x damage mods

Dominix - Garde II
Tracking - 0.08606
Optimal - 71719m
DPS - 751

Megathron - 425mm Rail II (CN Antimatter)
Tracking - 0.02451
Optimal - 42986m
Falloff - 42335m
DPS - 710

Apocalypse - Mega Pulse Laser II ( Navy Multi)
Tracking - 0.0816
Optimal - 24627
Fall Off - 1411
DPS - 733

Okay... now...

try making some fits that are not all shield-gank lol-fits.

No proper Apoc, Mega, or Domi is going to fit 3 Tracking Enhancers (or Omni links) and 3 damage mods at the same time unless they are shooting a POS.

How did you Veterans start?
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#18 - 2013-10-27 01:07:34 UTC
obviously not but this is just to compare the stats and bonuses they give
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2013-10-27 01:20:30 UTC
Talvenan wrote:
obviously not but this is just to compare the stats and bonuses they give

Which doesn't really mean anything as context and proper fitting is actually important.

How did you Veterans start?
Talvenan
Argon Innovations
#20 - 2013-10-27 01:22:07 UTC
what difference would linking fits do the stats show that even if you fit 1 of each its still gonna give the drone boats more tracking and range
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