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CSM meets CCP Senior Producer Zulu about your concerns

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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#21 - 2011-09-09 17:39:17 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
No offense I like where this is going, but its just another bone being thrown to us without actually anything concrete being said. Check out the last Dev blogs, plenty of words, no real Comming up content with changes/number crunching etc.


It's not a bone being thrown. Meetings like this one, when they reach their conclusion, take the form of a devblog and CSM posts. I believed it important for you to know that discussion is underway to address the problems, even if I can't disclose in what way yet.



If the monoclegate meeting minutes is the current standard for the release of information from meetings between CCP and the CSM you'll understand if I'm a little dubious about when we might see a Devblog, etc regarding this one.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Large Collidable Object
morons.
#22 - 2011-09-09 17:58:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Zakua Corbin wrote:
Does this mean we get sparkled Pony ships with lipstick and giant flying kittens? Shocked I can't hold out any longer!



Really? REALLY? WHEN CCP, WHEN?

For motivation (You're going to like this, Zymurgist): If I wasn't deeply bored with stagnant EVE content (I refuse to call Eve 'fis' all of a sudden), I'd probably fly spaceships again instead of trying to get anything out of my subscription by trying to find new professions like supermodel or roleplayer and posting about them on the forums.

Is that good?

I don't need much - just take the 5 least flown ships and boost them - take the 5 most flown ships and nerf them - do that once/twice a year and I'll be fine...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2011-09-09 17:59:48 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.

During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.

Stay tuned...

Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6



Sounds good, but the currency of sounding good has become rather devalued as of late.


Ah man I'm sorry, I know you're doing everything that can be done in your situation and I am genuinely grateful. I hope your efforts end up being rewarded with tangible results. Please keep on trying for us.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Captain Hindsite
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-09-09 18:01:15 UTC
Cedric deBouilard wrote:
to CSM; I realize CCP (and NDA) limits your ability to make clear statements here in forums, but know some people (me included) think you're doing a damn fine job of pestering, annoying, poking the CCP and trying to give them a wake-up call.

your efforts are much appreciated.



Agreed.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#25 - 2011-09-09 18:01:17 UTC
ccp are full of words and no action.

we watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.

personnaly i expect more pr spin and little to no action, same as teh last 18 months

OMG when can i get a pic here
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-09-09 18:01:53 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online)


Holy crap I like this one

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#27 - 2011-09-09 18:02:25 UTC
So you've had a meeting to arrange a meeting?

Cool.

C.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-09-09 18:04:41 UTC
Two step wrote:
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.


the same argument used in the other thread. Out of curiosity, your NDA doesnt have a clause noting you arent allowed to refer to the NDA in the manner you all have been? I know the one for SWTOR does

an just so you know, what this truly says is "Im glad we have a NDA so we can point to it and shrug mysteriously"

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Lens Thirring
#29 - 2011-09-09 18:07:03 UTC
Two step wrote:
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.

You could tell us what you proposed.

How many more resources are you demanding for FiS? In what form: A new dev team, or add some devs to existing teams? Hire new people, or take them from existing projects? Or should Soundwave just be working longer hours?
What should be their priorities (FiS covers a lot of ground)?
What timescales are acceptable for them to carry this out?

We don't know how much of this has been thought through, but if you're making demands presumably you have demands to make.

Surely there is not an NDA on your own ideas for adding resources to FiS.
Gwenywell Shumuku
#30 - 2011-09-09 18:07:30 UTC
CCP's credibility is at 0.
CSM credibility is at ....near 0. Why? Who was it that called the players "whiners" and told the media everything was ok after the meeting? Who utterly lost all momentum of the rage because they drowned in self-importance?

CCP did with the CSM what they do with the forum-playerbase, they ignore, manipulate and turn whats happening into PR-stuff (like the CSM minutes...we don't even have yet...because of this).

So, now you talk with Zulu AGAIN, maybe you can make a new youtube-video telling everyone that THIS TIME everything is different, we learned how to communicate, and everything will be better.

No, really, nearly everyone i talk to ingame or out of game are disillusioned about CCP by now, they have to deliver, end of story. If they don't, then the decline will spiral out of control. EVE is dying? Well, this time its pretty close to actually deserve it.
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#31 - 2011-09-09 18:10:36 UTC
Why oh why is this company so scared of committing to anything?

"Hey uhhhh we got some patch coming up but uhhh... we won't tell you what it'l include until the day before, just incase we mess anything up and can't include it... cos you know, we would want to look like morons... :straightface:"
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2011-09-09 18:14:06 UTC
Two step wrote:
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.


Ok, let's play hot/cold then.

Ponies?!

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
Psychophantic
#33 - 2011-09-09 18:14:30 UTC
Deja vu anyone?
Razin
The Scope
#34 - 2011-09-09 18:16:05 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Amidst the recent forum activity about reports of decreased subscriber count, discontent about lack of resources allocated to "Flying In Space" (or, as we know it, Eve Online) and, despite Gridlock and Team BFF's efforts, general stagnation when it comes to fixes and improvements, the CSM just met with CCP's Senor Producer for Eve Online: CCP Zulu.

During that meeting, we discussed the players' concerns with the man who has the ability to resolve them. We cannot share the details of the meeting itself because it is heavily NDA'd, but ways to resolve your concerns have been discussed and a follow-up meeting is planned.

Stay tuned...

Meissa Anunthiel, Vice-Chairman of CSM 6

8/10

-2 for being too obvious.
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-09-09 18:16:50 UTC
Soi Mala wrote:
Why oh why is this company so scared of committing to anything?

"Hey uhhhh we got some patch coming up but uhhh... we won't tell you what it'l include until the day before, just incase we mess anything up and can't include it... cos you know, we would want to look like morons... :straightface:"



Because the are not doing anything. They lie and lie so you keep playing skill training online in the hopes that they will do something. They are stringing us along and playing us for fools and suckers. Though, slowly but surely, this is no longer working as evidenced by the declining PCU and subscriptions.
Aldan Romar
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-09-09 18:17:15 UTC
Gwenywell Shumuku wrote:
... they have to deliver ...

Deliver what, exactly?

The state of some people's mind at the moment would have them scream whatever CCP says, as well as scream when CCP doesn't say anything - I know what I would do as a company in that situation...

CCP is not going to turn back time and not going to abandon their business plans. They may change some details, but that's about it.

I think we should be happy that they try to listen at all.
Prince Kobol
#37 - 2011-09-09 18:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Anybody else having deja vu

hmm.. i will make a predication.

CSM will come back saying everything is fine.

The Mittani will be smugger then usual and will claim to have saved Eve, again.

CCP will post a dev blog with ponies and and how they have learned their lesson blah blah blah

Details of the winter expansion are annouced lots of people will get angry and the CSM will go rar and CCP will be silent and the forum will be full of rage and we will go.. hang on, this feels similar, deja vu anybody
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2011-09-09 18:20:03 UTC
Rykuss wrote:
Two step wrote:
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.


Ok, let's play hot/cold then.

Ponies?!

hmm? wha?

Someone said ponies?
Sovennek
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-09-09 18:22:54 UTC
Cedric deBouilard wrote:
to CSM; I realize CCP (and NDA) limits your ability to make clear statements here in forums, but know some people (me included) think you're doing a damn fine job of pestering, annoying, poking the CCP and trying to give them a wake-up call.

your efforts are much appreciated.

Hear! Hear!

Remember: They're only pixels; it's not real money; it's supposed to be fun!
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#40 - 2011-09-09 18:25:02 UTC
Lens Thirring wrote:
Two step wrote:
We all wish we could say more, but the rules are the rules.

You could tell us what you proposed.

How many more resources are you demanding for FiS? In what form: A new dev team, or add some devs to existing teams? Hire new people, or take them from existing projects? Or should Soundwave just be working longer hours?
What should be their priorities (FiS covers a lot of ground)?
What timescales are acceptable for them to carry this out?

We don't know how much of this has been thought through, but if you're making demands presumably you have demands to make.

Surely there is not an NDA on your own ideas for adding resources to FiS.


No, I can't tell you what we proposed. Even things that I say to CCP can be covered by the NDA.

Again, our role is not to tell CCP who to hire or who to make work weekends. We are dissatisfied with the current level of staffing on FiS, and we want CCP to change that. Adding a single person would be good, switching the entire company over to working on EVE would be better. Hopefully we will end up somewhere in between.

My own ideas on what should be added are irrelevant. I still favor the same stuff I favored when I ran for CSM, you can see details on that in my blog (linked in my signature). In general, the CSM is all in agreement that the *critical* issue right now is balance (especially supercaps, but including all ships), and we would like to see that fixed ASAP.

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