Ships & Modules

And I'm sure you are going through this toons kills, I'm sure you see it isn't my main haha. But if you do look at the few kills he has, in a Harpy with a fleet of cruisers and BCs I did get top damage against a Tempest and Drake, I didn't against the Rohk sadly though :^(

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THIS

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MUCH

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Good game

I wonder why you believe he's correct in his opinion about the Caracal? Also, why aren't you interested in knowing if there was a Titan, Loki and or Tengu providing bonuses in whatever system he was camping?

Seems to me you're a pretty **** poor investigative reporter. Given your opinions on the pre-BOOST-Deimos and Phantasm you may be poor in other areas too. Have you flown those ships? I wonder how anyone can come to certain determinations on most things if they haven't even had first hand experience with said whatever.

Thanks for the feedback folks even though it seems to have become hijacked with some interesting discussions.

Perhaps we can get back on topic?

Here are the list of ships again to help extrapolate on.

Amarr Frigs
Caldari Frigs
Gallente Frigs
Minmatar Frigs

Amarr Desi
Caldari Desi
Gallente Desi
Minmatar Desi

Amarr Cruiser
Caldari Cruiser
Gallente Cruiser
Minmatar Cruiser

OMG, really guys. It is a "who has the longer jeffreys pipe in his trousers" thread.


The Cruiser Class is designed to take out Frigs. Thats the point.

If you are a good pilot, with a well fitted ship, you can take out everything what has the wrong fit against your ship (example Blaster Moa vs Kiting Interceptor).


A T2 Ship is a lot better than T1 ships, and so there is nothing to compare.

Cruisers will die vs. Battlecruisers, and a Battleship with PvP Fitting will shred away a T1 cruiser with a laugh.



And yes, everything is possible in Numbers, or against people who dont know what they are doing.

So fly save, and give the people nice advice if they ask for.

I believe his opinion is correct because I share the opinion. There are many reasons the Caracal is good. It's quick, it's capable of sporting a decent tank, and it is very versatile. Even with a generic RLML fit it is capable of pushing out alright DPS to far beyond long point range with excellent application to all targets, and using those can kite any close range fit Cruiser while absolutely wrecking any frigates that dare come near him. When fit with RLML's, though it may take some time to kill other cruisers, it will kill them and there is nothing they can do about it unless they have more damage projection. Especially because the low fitting requirements of the launchers mean they can fit a very heavy tank given its status as an "attack cruiser".

When fit with HAM's, it's the same situation, except with a little less tank, projection and application. It loses its threat to frigates while still increasing its threat potential to other cruisers. A well flown HAM Caracal has few natural predators. The Caracal is the best solo cruiser merely for the fact that it is fast and versatile, and those two things make your engagement profile immense. You can engage anything you want, and so long as things aren't stacked hugely against you you have a chance to prevail, or in the worst case, escape.


Also, in a 1v1 against a pre-buff Deimos, the Caracal (post buff) would definitely have ruined it. Particularly with the perfectly selectable damage (ROF bonus) on the Caracal meaning it can hit the resist hole. On top of that with the plate on, the Deimos would be going half as fast as the Caracal and has poor projection, certainly less than enough with blasters to scare off a moderately tanked (LSE+Invuln) Caracal before the Caracal picks it apart.

As for the Phantasm, it should have gone more favorably for the Phantasm, but for the fact that Chessur probably had Loki boosts meaning he could outrange the Phantasm's projection (~28km vs 36km webs), and there's no chance the Phantasm could possibly catch a Caracal, what with it being the only Pirate Battlecruiser (in all but name). Now if Chessur didn't have Loki boosts, it's more impressive, because it means he either had to spend all his time with his point overheated, all his time in range of the Phantasm's guns, or he had to apply damage before the Phantasm got in range, possibly playing games with burning away and around, probably dropping point, and there's a certain amount of blame on the Phantasm pilot at that point for not warping when point dropped.

But that's just like... my opinion, man.

Hate on the Navy AUG kill if you like, but he too had a nice gang flying with him

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15767860

For the most part the old topic is still relevant. Here are my contributions. The opinions of the non Amarr ships are based on me encountering them, not flying them.

Frigates solo/few
When flying a frigate, there are generally 4 possible ways to play:

1. brawler with afterburner (+ web and scram)
2. brawler with microwarpdrive (+web/scram)
3. scramkiter (ab/web/scram)
4. kiter (mwd/long point)

Generally abbrawl beats mwdbrawl beats kiter beats scramkiter beats abbrawl but this hugely depends on a lot of factors.

Every frigate with 3 or more midslots can be flown in any of these roles. Some tend to be better than others. An attack frigate is generally flown at a larger range than a combat frigate. A tank, tracking bonus or utility high slots tends to favour brawling tactics while a range bonus and a lot of mid slots favour kiting tactics. These things are true up to the point where they aren't and EVE is full of exceptions.

On to the ships:

• Crucifier: MWD + long point + 2 td’s + 3 drone kiter
• Executioner: fastest Amarr frig, great range control
• Tormentor: most allround Amarr frig don’t forget its drones
• Punisher: most limited, has cap issues, no range control due to plate, rigs and 2 mids, not the best for solo play


• Atron: versatile but tends to the kitey side of things
• Tristan: drones! very versatile but needs a lot of micromanagement compared to other frigates
• Incursus: defensive, least flexible Gallente frig, easiest to learn however
• Maulus: surprise 1v1 with drones and 2 sensor damps


• Kestrel: most versatile Caldari frig, can brawl/kite/shield/armor/...
• Condor: kite it up
• Merlin: a more generalist Incursus, perhaps the most general of all frigs


• Slasher: fast + mids
• Rifter: a generalist ship, not as sexy as it used to be but perhaps the most balanced of all frigs

Fleet frigates
While to ability to control the engagement remains important, projection, dependability and force multiplication enter the picture. All logi frigs are great, all ewar frigs are great aswell. Merlin and Punisher make solid fleet ships due to good EHP/dps/projection

Destroyers

• Coercer: very solid projected dps, you can basically never go wrong with bringing this
• Dragoon: mostly seen as a worse Algos


• Algos: drones! Quite versatile but kinda slowish
• Catalyst: straight up ganker but you can surprise people with a kiting setup although it isn't great in this role


• Cormorant: straight up sniper/kiter can surprise people with a brawling setup although it isn't great in this role


• Thrasher: most general destroyer, can do anything very good, special mention to arty thrashers
• Talwar: excellent kiter, really hate this ship

Cruisers

• Omen: very versatile cruiser but primary in RvB fleets
• Arbitrator: can be excellent solo-er vs all ship classes as long as they use guns. The fits do tend to require juggling of 10+ active modules
• Maller: boring gank or tank, not versatile
• Vexor: can do just about anything but with drones
• Thorax: another primary
• Caracal: probably the best cruiser and most able to handle various situations

I am getting into my drone phase of the game, so I will go with a Tristan and Alagos assign drones to the slaved Maller orbit and hold point. You are taking damage, warp to celestial and then back into the fight.