Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is no easy fix for the current system. The only logical solution I can think of is something similar to wormholes. I large stable wormhole that leads in to an alternate universe, or new universe, whatever. This space is technically has the same resources, same pirate factions, the only difference is cloaks do not work and local chat is the same as in wormholes.

Here those who want a change can go and do everything that is available in the current system with those 2 things changed. Everyone who like the current system can stay where they are, everybody wins.

If noone complains then there is no problem.

Usually when there is a flaw in the system people tend to waste a bit extra time to go to the forums and post about it. Most often suggestions are random but when one of the suggestions keep repeating itself as this thread seams to point towards then there might be a real underlying problem in that area.

Often the biggest problems are the most vocal and usually tends to fall into CCPs attention above all others. Most often when a majority starts repeating a problem it gets fixed except for cloaking. The forum rage and posting have gone on for ages and it keeps going. It wont die down till its addressed and more cloak suggestion fixes will pop up until somethings done about it. Hopefully its high up enough in CCPs priority fix list that we will see a fix sooner rather then in the next patch 4 years down the line. By then I think there might be over 10 cloaked suggestion posts a day.

Im not sure what you mean by the first half of your post.

But regarding the upcoming changes, its clear that CCP still deems cloaking to be a minor game balance problem or they wouldn't have given us another cov-ops cloaked ship. I suppose when more people get blown up by the SOE ships we might see an even bigger reaction on the forums. It might catch there attention by then.

Not for nothing, but is there ANY mechanic which is usable by a small group, which does not also become used by larger ones?

Using small roams, a small corp or alliance might do a couple, but the larger group can duplicate these more often.

Anything guerrilla based, can also be duplicated.

The real point, is to pick mechanics which can be equally used by small groups, rather than ones which scale exponentially.

Another explanation:
100 players should be able to do 10 times more than 10 players. This keeps the 1:1 ratio of effectiveness.
It becomes a problem if 100 players can do something which leverages their numbers, making them a 2:1 ratio, if not more extreme.
It becomes a fantastic game mechanic if it has a point of diminishing returns, so that the larger force divides it's groups into maximum units of 10, due to the negative impact of increasing numbers beyond that.

You don't want significant benefit to teamwork to extend beyond your target group size.

Most wormhole mechanics. Size limits on wormholes mean you can't get huge groups in. The limited nature of anoms in WH, with low regeneration means it only takes a small group to clear a WH in short order. Combine this with the randomness of entrances and exits means a large group spread across enough WHs to cater for them all would make logistics impossible.
Probably not so many in k-space But there are plenty of mechanics, and local is one of them, that give an equal benefit to all sides.

By moving to a system that favours a defender, you make it easier for people to hold their space. This naturally will help larger groups rather than smaller ones, and will only increase the current problems of blobs holding huge amounts of space. It will become even more beneficial for a smaller group to either rent from or join a larger group, to benefit from their new intel infrastructure, with a shared load and less points of failure.

Option 3. They can move to another system and continue ops,
Option 4. They can jump clone to high sec and continue ops, and
Option 5. They can switch to pvp ops either locally or roaming.

So many options.

But yeah, assuming that a cloaky red in system does not have a cyno is essentially the same as assuming he is afk. Either assumption is likely to cost you a ship and a pod when the red realizes that you are ignoring his threat and adjusts his fleet to respond to such foolish ignorance. If the probability was not 1, the red will adjust it to 1 by calling in any needed reinforcements.

Carriers, domis and other sentry boats usually do not move, so constant alignment is not an option for those ships. Other ships may not be able to constantly remain aligned.

Given the 0s targeting delay ability of stealth bombers, you literally have to click warp before he locks you up. If you are in a BS or carrier, that reaction time is on the order of a few seconds. It is hard to pin the required reaction time down due to the variations of sig radius and sensor boosting, but it could be as little as less than a second or perhaps more typically less than 2 seconds minus target painters (TPs). An un-sensor boosted Maticore locks a typical dominix in 1.8s. If the Domi pilot cannot react, align, pull sentries and enter warp BEFORE 1.8s then he may be toast. His best shot is to then lock the manti (14.4s with 2 sig amps, 18.7s without), deploy hobgoblins, and hope to destroy the manti before the first ship lands on grid. Obviously, many ships will be on grid before the 19s lock, 5s drone travel time, and at least 8s kill time.

The domi isn't the only choice but it is the preferred ship for many players. other non-sentry ship choices still leave the pilot with the requirement to react to the hostile appearing on grid and enter warp before 1.8s Obviously, flying an AB tanked assault frig gives much more time to get out before being locked by the manticore (less than 4.6s minus TPs, etc) and much less ISK reward for choosing him as a target, but it also greatly lowers the dps, the engagement range (introducing alignment issues), and thus the ISK earning power by about 80%


Large groups constantly reset others in order to keep the pvp strong. Small group mechanics can be best strengthened by adding small, fast objectives which do not require massive time or firepower. Structures with hp large enough to merit supers and the required fleets to support them demand large group and shut out small groups. Those mechanics exist very strongly in the current null sec environment, thus requiring the very large groups that we currently see dominating in null. I am not saying that we lower the hp for current sov structures. I am only saying that we can introduce additional benefits to sov (more reasons to fight for ownership in Eve) which require very few hp (small gangs). Ideas include: gate defense and gate intel, more resources like more gas clouds in null (encourage the use of drugs), and more sov power over the gate system itself. An incremental sov system which allows ownership over various aspects of each system so that one group might control the gates and the ability of supers to jump in (or not) while another group might control the station and a private stargate, and another group controlled the stargate intel of the system, etc. This instead of just a winner gets all, largest supercap fleet wins all, type system as we currently see.

1. I would not recommend using ships that require such advance notice as a part of a strategy when dealing with imminent threats.
If you cannot get them off grid in the time it takes for the threat to complete it's strategy, you obviously have an issue.

2. I quite agree.
Placing a reason to fight in the sov systems is the first step. Blobs have a reason to fight, so they do exactly that.
Placing lesser targets that are still worthy of defending should benefit everyone.
(Maybe a magnet that draws in more ice or ore belts, etc.)

How about this instead:
High slot module that holds 1 anti-cloak missile. when fired it flies to the nearest cloaked ship, completely destroys them, their pod, and deletes 1 month of skill training. . . I know that sounds ridiculous, but while we're wishing for "iwin" mods, might as well go big.

You realize most people use regular cynos right?