Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's over.
We lost.

Prices on the Paladin and Kronos are already dropping from where they were 7-10 days ago as those that used these hulls properly have started selling them.

CCP has zero interest in PvE but to nerf high sec incomes as much as possible, and and as for making these pure PvE boats into PvP boats, two of the dev's involved are PvP fanatics, and believe any hull can be converted to that role, and SHOULD be converted to that role.

We have to find another hull / doctrine, which will be inferior to the ones we use now.

The DPS of the Kronos with rails is rather laughable without added sentry dps compared to the other marauders, if you look at blasters the Vindicator vastly outperform it, the only thing that the Kronos does better(outside RR BS role) is being a fairly mobile sentry/rail platform, that can cover point blank with the 90% web and project dps up to full lock range by the ability to fit multiple drone links without losing turret dps(unlike hype, domi or navy domi). A sentry range and tracking bonus plus 125/275 would go a long way to actually make in very interesting in this role, providing high sentry and turret range, long lock range, tracking bonus for both weapon systems and a fairly good mobility. In my opinion it is the closes to a ideal gallente hybrid gunship concept outside blaster use, combining speed, sentry's and rails to archive a good dps and projection at medium range, at expense of overall tank.

Vargur is actually ok if you look at it as marauder and compare it to the others, it does ok dps and got useful application window, at least combined with the current speed. However it does nothing different compared to the mach, that is nearly unaffected by the TE nerf simply by switching to armor tank and got the better speed, dps and drone bay. Overall a mwd cap use bonus and more optimal would give it a clear edge with artillery at medium ranges(it is already better than the mach here with the tracking bonus, since tracking is the major problem with artillery). I would also like to see 100/125 drone bay on it, simply to improve artillery dps with sentry use at medium range.

Bastion and torps don't work well together, a torp ship needs speed to get in range quick and apply dps, the stop and go game play with bastion is rather contra productive for it. It does ok with CMs but then again it was actually designed as a torpedo platform and every other hull with the exception of the CNR(in specific fittings) works better with CMs than with torps this days.

There is nothing that really needs fixing on the Paladin, it is by far the best marauder already, on the same level with the faction equivalent(Nightmare). It is a lot easier to manage cap wise than the abaddon and or NM, before the cap nerf it got 12k+ cap and could effortlessly run mwd, tachs and tank what is hilarious for a amarr ship(a navy apoc needs 2 discharge rigs and 2 cap mods to do similar stuff).

Really?

My Rattler can launch 5 sentries and has something like 900dps.

My golem has (Drones included) 1040 dps

Why do you think that 1600 for your kronos is ok?

EDIT: bleh, too tired to post properly -.- Should've noticed you didn't write anything about a drone damage bonus. though that would be better than the drone control units imo.

i still strongly beleive that nobody will buy marauders for 1bil if they dont have t2 res.

please, either make them cheaper close to 600mil like black ops to produce. or give them t2 res.

400 extra mil for same functionality same dps same tank as a blackops.

Whoa, whoa, how did I miss the third update in here?!

You've increased their EHP, fixed their base speed at a reasonable though still not rocket-fast speed, and... Made them lighter than they currently are?

The only thing missing is 100MN MWDs not feeling like they immediately use all of your cap, and I'm completely okay with this third iteration.

After the changes they are worse in terms of isk/hr in several areas of pve:

* mobility (esp vargur, favor b/c of ac falloff)
* dmg nerf was to drone dps / bandwidth
* you could also interpret dps nerf by these ships favoring long range weps
* loss of looting exclusiveness

Marauders have the lowest max raw dmg potential of all comparable bs sized combat ships including t1.

Since the bastion bonuses don't include any tracking increases, it was clearly designed with sniping - and only sniping - in mind. However, it also makes any Marauder that's fitted with a useful tank into an unkillable monster.

I'm not sure why something that sits 150km out needs to be an unkillable monster. Isn't "obscene tank" better-suited to close-range work than to super-sniping?

While I like the way Iteration 3 is looking compared to Iterations 1 and especially 2, I still feel like Marauders are a mixed bag of "we aren't quite sure what we want them to do".

It is odd... I'll give you that.


I think the problem here is that Bastion is best suited with the Golem.


As bastion sits now, the Golem outperforms the current version by leaps and bounds.
I would even argue to say that it helps a torp Golem more so, due to increased range, and better tanking as it normally is taking high damage by the time it can actually hit a target.


I will go to say that perhaps bastion is better suited to focus on the ships themselves, as opposed to a "one size fits all" module.


The problem though with trying to balance the module for each ship is, what's the best way to do so without the ships being OP?

Like I said, it's perfect for the Golem, cause it doesn't have to worry so much about tracking/fall-off/optimal.
Big tank and missiles have always gone hand in hand.

What could we suggest to better balance the other 3 ships while bastioned?

i don't know if it will go up or down..
Wish I did, cause then I'd know whether to buy it now, or later...

I'm a tank and spank missioner....

I want bastion Golem.... Played with it on test, fits me perfectly