Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Excuse me but what the hell are you doing?

The point of bastion is to have SPARE MID SLOTS. You have 2 too many tanking modules that can be converted into 2 more TCs with tracking scripts or a TC and a Sebo for lock range/scan res. Or if you really want to more optimal range.

If you have to do this, do it right.

It's the best DPS I can get with 1400s, with a LP-1006 and a RF-906 to boost it.

Targeting range is 101km (the maximum). How are you getting more damage with that ammo? With RF versions, which is what I mostly use, I get 923.3 DPS, with max skills.

When MJD around, I use RF DU for a paper DPS of 615.5 at 90km optimal (tremor has too much range which is a waste in this case)

Your assessment is incorrect. The easy summary is:
* dmg application stayed the same (save projection in bastion).
* Total raw dps potential nerfed
* mobility nerfed
* loot exclusiveness lost

basically, the only things you will do better in this:
* PvE content with high EWAR
* PvE content that would require a very heavy tank, but not require logistics (level 5s for example).

Anything else will take longer than it did before, esp in short range setups



No. Isk per hour is the most important part of missions. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. This is why ppl generally do 4s or what have you in fancy battleships and not assault frigs. This is also why terms like "overtanked" exist for mission runners.

If you did loot / salvage as you go, you could make up / more than make up the difference (provided you aren't unfortunate enough to get bombarded by drone missions, and dont stick around to loot and salvage the entire room, just the stuff you can get while clearing while prioritizing battleship loot/salvage).



To be fair there are ppl who have used marauders for PvP. The general tactic is using smartbombs in the highs to kill off ecm drones and hopefully make up for the poor sensor strength. I am in no way saying that marauders are an ideal choice, but to each their own.

You are also talking about a ship that doesnt really have much of an existing role in the PvP world, but one that does in the PvE world. We are talking about trying to add gimmicky and not yet established PvP roles, at the expensive of the ships' already established PvE role.




Hmmm... maybe throw it at you a different way:
You say that you wouldnt want to use in large fleet battles, presumably because when you activate bastion you will be alpha'd if the fleet is large enough. The other side to this is that in smaller numbers, the tank is beastly. What you have is a "Can't Lose" button if the numbers are small enough or maybe more accurately: "Can't lose within a reasonable amount of time" button and isnt balanced either. Adding additional dmg doesnt necessarily change this ship from "Cant Lose" to "I WIN". A dmg increase doesnt need to shove pirates out of their "raw damage kings" or "speed demons" title. What it does do is help preserve existing/already established marauder roles.

Besides alpha'ing stuff, what are 1400s good for in that case?

I always used them since I'm cheap and they're cheaper to run. But they lack DPS, they aren't useful for pretty much anything...

So I'll make reference to the fact that 1400s need a RoF reduction, badly. Their alpha is fine, the raw damage is fine, but their rate of fire is terrible.

I have a question....

If arty suck so bad, then why is the tornado the best tier 3 bc?
I mean, any time someone mentions the word gank, the tornado is the ship mentioned to perform it with.
If they're good at ganks, expecially suicide ganks, the. I would think arty would be perfect for missions where you're essentially trying to use a little volleys as possible to down the target.

Edit...

Hell, if you're talking about ganking, people normally judge gank ability by the number of tornados it would take to pull it off.
No other ship or weapon system is used like this, and last time I checked, they used arty for this.

High alpha potential. It means you can one-shot any ship, if you have enough ships to do it (as in one-volley with several ships).

1400 Arties suck because their RoF is slower than any other turret gun in game, even slower than 3500s. Their tracking is nonexistent and the range is fairly limited, for a long range weapon. Aurora on Tachs gets up to 250km, Tremor on 1400s can barely reach 200 (talking optimals alone).

Its a mega hull and as such has my utter attention.

in most pve scenarios your rats are moving toward you at zero transversal where tracking isn't an issue. It is more boring, but I use both, and the Arties make just as much or more isk / hour.

Since I still didn't get a answer on it yet, how likely it is to just keep the old marauders ingame and make them a 2. hull type that uses the marauder skills? I don't really care if you actually fix them or not.

- the old marauders are not game breaking or created any kind of issue in the game during her 6 years
- in many scenarios they perform better than the new ones
- in certain scenarios(like RR gang or Incs) bastion, active tanking and mjd provide nothing
- people get her new toy that they can sell again after 3 months when the shiny is gone and other people can still be happy with the marauders they use since years
- more choice to the player and choice is good in my opinion
- a opportunity to actually fix the old marauders in a way where they provide a very good alternative to pirate BS hulls(by improving the RR focus, adding utility and giving them unique features like posted a couple of times so far)