Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why should BS be slower then they are today? Arent they slow enough? Ofcourse one can argue damage/tank vs speed, but BS's arent that great with respect to damage and tank. Also BS fleets will be extremely vulnerable to bombers. So not only are they eyebleeding slow, also they are very vulnerable. How is that balanced?

Making stuff slower is bad because it creates boredom. That is what is bad about making ships stay in warp longer. On top of that I think the small ships becomes way to easy to fly. I want a game to be hard, not easy. I mean ceptors are gonna be able to fly cloaked, fit a cyno, warp in bubbles and have crazy speed. IMHO thats just way too easy.

I want Eve to be hard, really hard. Thats what made it great in the first decade. Now hard is replaced by easy for lackluster players and by boring for competent players. I am pretty sure that this will lead to a massive drop in subscriptions when the vets' subscription periods are running out.
I hear quite a few vets around me saying the game is too easy already and that any further changes in that direction will take the fun away completely. I hear the grumblings about 1 week old FW chars already owning hundreds of millions of isk, just by sitting in a plex for 1 hour a day. I hear the grumblins about stupid tiers in ships, making out of the box fittings a thing of the past, I hear the grumblings about suicide ganking being way to easy now, I hear the grumblings that plexes are worthless now since the minigame isnt skill dependent, I hear the grumblings about the endless structure shooting in null. The list goes on and on.

Making stuff too easy will destroy the game. It has happen before and it will happen again. CCP, its time to realise your dumbing of the game is not working.

I tuned into the EVE Vegas livestream late. Did Fozzie and Rise say anything about BS and BC warp speeds in their presentation?

And the ball dropped:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3760486#post3760486

So this was their brilliant idea:

1) Slow ships most people fly down.
2) Then make up an implant set to make up for it.

This... this is CCP's idea of generating ... 'content' for the game. if these changes go through like this I'm done with this game.

I will do what I must.

Hey Fozzie! If it's not already in there (sorry I don't do the sisi thing) maybe you guys can add a warp speed indicator while you're working on global warp speeds!

Just adjust the speedometer such that when a ship enters warp, so it displays warp velocity instead of 'normal' velocity while warping. Maybe change the colour of the coloured speedometer area too, so people can easily discern exactly when they are in and out of warp when staring intensely at that indicator.

PS: Nice choice of music for this thread!

PSS: Hello from Josh in Toronto =)

i don't really get why people are so upset about the new implants.

Having faster warp speeds is great. But it seems that the new design goes too far. A dictor with speed implants can cover 14 AU in less than one server tick and arrive on grid, then bubble or cloak before even appearing on your D-Scan let alone appearing on your overview. Essentially we now have interdictors that can warp cloaked.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=287366&find=unread

Yes, getting into warp should be faster, and small ships should warp faster than large ships. The current mechanics are too slow, and right now arriving on grid to see a fat lazy and slow carrier warp is frustrating. But these changes swing the pendulum too far. Its basically going to be impossible for ANY ship to see an interceptor or dictor in warp and any gang, small or large is going to be bubbled before anybody even sees the dictor arrive.

If that is the intended effect then fine - this is Eve , Adapt or Die. But This is one hell of a change.

You dont fly BS, do you? Go out and test them, do 10 jumps in a (plated) BS and then do the same in a cruiser and then tell me again BS arent slow enough.

I can get a plated BS into warp as fast as a plated cruiser.

and then Warp implant (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3760486#post3760486) which exactly do what you just said you don't wanted to do! I've to admit I'm a little lost :/

That rebalancing is a great thing, but the proportion and the reason given to explain certain change just... don't hold. The iteration process to get to each rebalancing issue is long & painful enough that I think it worth the time to get a little more deeper on the issue that said iteration bring.

Maybe don't be too enthusiastic by certain "feature" (omfg inty ftl crazy ship) and quickly bypass others, to the point to forget that people actually pay to play & enjoy the game, not to undergo it.