Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Drama queens, mostly.

I say, wait for the actual expansion and let the metagame roll on for a while. If they need a buff theyll get one in the next patch.

Perhaps in order to compensate for the lack of damage on the Vargur and Kronos (though I'll take 110% damage from role bonus rather than 100%...even 105% to guns), maybe have ships some looting bonus? Say you get a higher chance than other battleships to salvage modules or more valuable salvage from each successful cycle?

That's at least 4 months off...


That would be me (and I did say "lite" suck). Mainly because anything you can do in a Golem on an L4 you can do in a Raven for 1/8th the price. Yeah, too bad about the warp nerf to the battleships. Although, if they gave Marauders another 4 turrets/launchers they'd actually be able to fend off lighter ships. Battleships might need some serious work after this.

Have you ever thought that it is a problem of Scorch and not hull? Why penalize all other turret weapon platforms because of one unbalanced ammo type?

Vargur TQ: 10.67
Vargur new:11.67
Machariel: 11.67

You are right. But ccps answer sounds to me like: we talked about it, we like the idea of a "true optimal and fall off bonus" but we have no idea how to implement it. So we use the scorch as an excuse.


And again: the fall-off bonus should always be twice as strong as the optimal bonus!

I quite like this idea. However Bastion would be giving drone bandwidth, scan res, targeting range, resists...a bit too much.

However, the Marauder would be losing it's Marauder status.

I like the concept, and would work wonderful for a T2 combat ship based on the Maelstrom, Rokh, Hyperion and Abaddon, battleships made solely for damage (like HACs for cruisers), can they be called something like Heavy Combat Battleship?

For Marauders I'll defend the fact that they need to be able to salvage and loot easily. Role Bonus: Wrecks within 10kms of the ship get salvaged automatically? (okay, a bit too far).

What we all agree though is that Marauders lack raw damage, especially for the Minmatar Vargur. I think we matari got the worst lately. Speed and mass nerfs, our guns lack raw DPS, agility was thrown out...at least give us battleships that can alpha stuff via 1400!

The way I've been using The vargur that's been working great is exactly the opposite of what CCP wants me to do. That's the beauty of the sandbox nature of eve. I do what I want.

I use the amazing agility of the MJD to jump close to the enemy and then bastion up and kill all the things. Rinse and repeat. My damage output increases in some cases over 100% and I smile all the way.

I still need to test out 1400 vargur though.

I used to run a mael with 8 1400 split into 4 groups of 2 each when I just wanted to have some fun blapping stuff.

What some people find boring others find fun. What people find fun I might find boring (MWD/AB towards enemies constantly, eeeeew)

I was thinking, with all the people suggesting stuff, how about the following?

Added role bonus to each hull, based on race.

PALADIN

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large energy weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay. When Bastion is active, 20% bonus to tracking range of large energy weapons (this bonus could be swapped by 20% bonus to NOS/Neut range).

Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to capacitor capacity
7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range (instead of 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level)

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Armor Repair amount per level
5% bonus to large energy turret damage per level

GOLEM

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay. When Bastion is active, 20% bonus to explosion radius.

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level

Marauders Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount
10% bonus to effectiveness of target painters per level

KRONOS

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay. When Bastion is active, 20% bonus to velocity factor of stasis webifier. (This bonus could be modified to +75mpbs drone bandwidth to allow heavies or sentries when bastioned)

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to large hybrid weapon damage
10% bonus to large Hybrid Turret Falloff per level (instead of 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level)

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Armor Repair amount per level
7.5% bonus to large hybrid weapon tracking per level

VARGUR

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large projectile weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay. When Bastion is active, 15% bonus to large projectile weapon damage.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to large projectile turret rate of fire
10% bonus to large projectile turret falloff per level

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount
7.5% bonus to large projectile turret tracking per level

New bonuses rely on Bastion to active, but only then, and are specific to each race, giving them something that encourages the use of Bastion and a unique role bonus to the ship when engaging it. New bonuses are in BOLD. Percentages could be tweaked to adjust the balance properly, either upping or lowering said values. However, they'll add damage about their pirate hulls, this is immediately countered by the immobility that Bastion forces (and the already nerfed mobility). Flexibility will be these ships name, as they Bastion up and tank, while shredding the enemy, but once mobile the ship goes back to normal, keeping the balance between T1, T2 and faction hulls.

Having these bonuses will encourage the use of Bastion and the trade-off of being static in place, and they'll go off whenever the ship goes back to mobile. This will allow the ship to have a small edge in damage projection while sitting still, but lose it, for the sake of being balanced, while moving, giving us the option to go static but more applied damage, or mobile and lesser application of damage. Seems like a fair trade to me.

EDIT: As it is right now, Marauders are all falling into a same bland category, with little differentiation between them. Adding this, would make ships get the most out of each races, while playing as each of the races, better roleplay options.