Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Finally you get it. Why fly a vargur if a low skill pirate BS with the same price does everything better?

Now i am trying a 1400 fit on sisi. it is quite acceptable but the 101km lockrange in combination with MJD and the necessary anc rig makes it somehow hard to use full potential.

The problems lay in scorch and barrage, there is no question about it, CCP knows it, most players suspect it, you know it.

We've even experienced a TE nerf largely because of barrage and I dare say much crying about projectile ships are directly related to it; The reason beams are less popular is because of scorch, there is little reason to fit beams, beams are less versatile and forgiving than pulse with scorch, which invalidates the whole idea of beams to a significant degree, artillery at least has alpha as a defining trait.

We're now close in experiencing a similar effect in the range bonus in bastion being stacking penalized just because of short range weaponry easily hitting at long ranges, the ammo used when CCP decided this? Lets all take a wild guess.

Until the ammo is balanced everything else will keep getting nerfed and moaned about, often without the complaints even recognizing the problem being in the ammunition, instead directing proposed nerfs to hull bonuses and other factors if possible, screaming how 'OP' autocannons are, possibly resulting in nerfing TE's even further.

You and others saying the problem doesn't lay in the ammunition makes it all worse, the longer the ammo remains as is the more erroneous balancing choices will go through the cracks, effectively eliminating all other ammunition as anything viable in the end.
The ammunition are used in every balancing situation involving guns, we're not gaining anything good from keeping them as they are currently, let alone from denying the problem to begin with.

Thats the whole point, to build-in ship bonus into Golem that will replace target painter, so u will have same efficency but without need of wasting additional med slot for non-tanking module.

Maybe its a bit hard to understand if someone is not using Golem, but lets make TP a low slot module and change tracking bonuses on other ships to target painting efficency, and u will see amount of rage from players that need to drop EANM or other hardener for this to make your ship usefull.

I used to fly a 5 module tank. with bastion I only need a 2 module tank. your argument is invalid.

Are you even reading the other posts. its not a MWD its an afterburner. and it is not overtanked because i am on the move and not in bastion. And gist booster are a reason to gank me again.

How fast u will gonna make a typical L4 missions that have 2 gates each at 60km from warping point with bastion module ON (which prevents you from moving)?. And why i am asking about L4 missions? Because probably 95% of marauders, at least Golems, are used for PVE.

Bastion module have no point in most PVE situations, since u need to move to another warpgate and shoot in same time, to make it worthwhile. Ability to sit and tank with 2 mods then wasting 10 minutes to get to other warpgate is rather pointless idea and will take alot more time than doing same thing with bastion module off.

Yeah, but as someone else stated before, that would be quite a bit OP.

Bastion mod frees up up to 3 med slots previously used for tank, 25% bonus to missile explosion radius would free up another 1 - 2 slots (dependig on the setup)...

So you'd basically left with the following mandatory stuff in your mids:

1TP (none if cruise missile),
1 invul mod,
1 SB,
1 Cap booster
(optional) 1 MJD

And (in average) 3 - 4 Slots to do with as you like... In a Highsec PVE setup.

Somehow that looks hilariously powerfull.

So I really think, the TP bonus is fine as it is.

Every marauders can use target painters with same efficency as golem since golem torpedoes got higher base torpedo radius than turrets, so if TP would be OP on golem, then it would be OP on any other marauder.

Not to mention fact that missiles have no falloff and stationary ship that uses close range missiles can be killed very easily. Just put your orbit at 1km higher than torpedo range, and Golem wont make any damage to anyone. Can u avoid damage on any other marauders like that? NO.

the people who wants to remove tp from golem are cruise missile users i promise you. They are not torp user. Since ccp buff the cruise missiles they see no point to use torps so the tp bonus is unneeded. Well we can fix this by buffing torps or nerfing cruise.

While I was flying vargur that style your account wasn't even created. Please go to TQ and try it. Blitzing lvl4s with a fast vargur gives me more ISK then doing a combination of ratting and salvaging. Also, my loot goes mostly to a new char who earns quite some ISK by salvaging my missions.

Thats the biggest reason i am flying highsec lvl4s. To help newbies getting standing and earning some ISK.

0.0 gives me something between 28-40 mio tics without salvaging.