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[Rubicon] [Updated] Interdictor Rebalance

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#21 - 2013-10-15 14:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
is there any chance of sorting out the weird slot layouts?
Flycatcher has 1 low slot ....
Sabre has 2 lowslots...
Eris has 2 mids
yet Heretic has 3mid and 3 lows ... the balance being what exactly here????

feel free to remove a few highs to spread around a bit and just increase the damage bonuses or the extra lows could replace the damage with damage mods ....

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lorac Gemini
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-10-15 14:13:31 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:


Gallente Frigate Bonuses:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret falloff per level
5% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile explosion radius per level (was 10% bonus to small hybrid tracking per level)



I think you meant Gallente Destroyer instead of Frigate. Looks good though!
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#23 - 2013-10-15 14:13:33 UTC
Also their tank is pretty woeful about 25% less than T1 destroyers along with a much larger sig radius ......

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-10-15 14:14:02 UTC
Capt ****** wrote:
And yet another ...

Buff everything, nerf Minmatar.

Holy crap - its like the end of days for minmatar.

Missile boats ahoy - with no range.

Autocannon nerformama - TEs down the pan.

Worst Caps by a staggering margin.

Command ship loveliness perforated with shotgun.

Lowest DPS marauder FTL (for the loss).

Dump on minmatars speed and agility advantages - they cant compensate with worst weapon systems. The is no 'flavour' in the racial minmatar its porridge (with lots of salt).



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Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#25 - 2013-10-15 14:15:24 UTC
Current fleet fits remains, marginal changes. I am pleased also even buffed that this is even worth posting and a "feature" of Rubicon. Shocked

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Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-15 14:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack bubu
i was hoping for more radical changes that improve survivability, atleast a similar role bonus like the interceptor MWD signature bonus would have been great.

as it is they remain throwaway ships you put your alt in and hope you get a bubble off before you die.
Vanilla Vila
MATAFS
#27 - 2013-10-15 14:17:33 UTC
Another dumb 1/2 guns/1/2 missiles boat.

Scrap the Eris.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#28 - 2013-10-15 14:19:17 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
i was hoping for more radical changes that improve survivability, atleast a similar role bonus like the interceptor MWD signature bonus would have been great.

as it is they remain throwaway ships you put your alt in and hope you get a bubble off before you die.


mm... at least they get a role bonus the EAF don't despite being a T2 role based ship .. go figure

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#29 - 2013-10-15 14:20:50 UTC
ITT: Sabre is the Rifter of dictors, and still the only one with enough fittings to do basically whatever it wants thanks to the miniscule fitting requirements of autocannons.
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#30 - 2013-10-15 14:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannott Thanos
Gallente Destroyer Bonuses:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret falloff and Rocket velocity per level
5% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile explosion radius per level and 7,5% bonus to Hybrid Turret Tracking

Interdictors Bonuses:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret, Rocket, and Light Missile damage per level
10% bonus to Interdiction Sphere Launcher rate of fire per level

Role bonus:
Can fit Interdiction Sphere Launchers

Slot layout: 8H, 2M, 4L; 7(+2) turrets, 7(+3) launchers
Fittings: 64(+2) PWG, 210(+16) CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 600(-51) / 700 / 800(+49)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 700(+231.25) / 350s(+37.5) / 2(+0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 305(-3) / 3.52(+0.145) / 1250000(-213000) / 6.1s(-1.11)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 500 / 7
Sensor strength: 13(+2) Magnetometric
Signature radius: 85(-1)


Basically, 7 launchers and 7 turrets with bonus to range of both systems. I would fly this, but not the proposed one.

Edit: Added tracking, it's stupid to have just one bonus with split systems. Also, 10% bonus to damage might be a bit too stronk....

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-10-15 14:24:50 UTC
I have only turret skills trained, so I only have one reasonable choice of dictor? It'd be nice to have two choices.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#32 - 2013-10-15 14:25:05 UTC
And there we go, the Minmatar ships has the worst agility of the lot.
Yup, makes sense.

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Sparkus Volundar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-10-15 14:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Sparkus Volundar
nm

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#34 - 2013-10-15 14:32:03 UTC
again with the token drone on ships .... point being what exactly?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#35 - 2013-10-15 14:32:20 UTC
Why are gallente all of a sudden getting really terrible sig radius on everything? And why are caldari ships not slow anymore?

Quote:
Big bonuses to both missiles and hybrid turrets allow the highest damage of all the dictors if one chooses.


Oh god not again, make it stop. I like split weapons, but they need to be done right.

Quote:
The 10mn AB plated fleet fits will be much improved after Rubicon.


Can I take this as a sign that you guys are never going to fix oversized prop mods, and that it's all working as intended? This is really the most disappointing thing here.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-10-15 14:37:53 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Can I take this as a sign that you guys are never going to fix oversized prop mods, and that it's all working as intended? This is really the most disappointing thing here.


Do we start talking about oversized tank mods at the same time 'cos the whole 'fit 1600mm/LSE on cruisers' thing doesn't make any sense
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
#37 - 2013-10-15 14:38:46 UTC
I was really looking forward to the changes from a non 0.0 dessy pilot.

Quite disappointed.

From the stats I can not see a reason why i'd pick these over standard dessies or AF's (non 0.0 perspective remember).
Rynnik
Evasion Gaming
The Ancients.
#38 - 2013-10-15 14:39:44 UTC
Looks good to me. I am looking forward to messing around with these on release.
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#39 - 2013-10-15 14:41:43 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Can I take this as a sign that you guys are never going to fix oversized prop mods, and that it's all working as intended? This is really the most disappointing thing here.


Do we start talking about oversized tank mods at the same time 'cos the whole 'fit 1600mm/LSE on cruisers' thing doesn't make any sense


LSE is just an 800 plate, but yeah it could use more fitting and an actual penalty. We can talk about oversized active shield tanking mods if you like, those are certainly broken.
BORG HELLinHEAVEN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-10-15 14:47:58 UTC
Make interdictors imune to their own bubles :), not imune to others bubles