Player Features and Ideas Discussion

uhh, see previous post. Have you forgotten what you linked?
Here, a reminder:

We were talking about Nikk's idea.

You just said active cloakers would suffer a nerf with a decloaking pulse. Now it is no nerf. Which is it please.

WHAT? You linked the decloak pulse! I don't want a decloak pulse and never have suggested I do. I want AFK cloakers to be warped to deadspace and get flagged in local. Are you being serious or trolling here? Are you really now arguing that what you said in your own post was in fact my argument?
Smoke less crack when posting on the forums guy.

Lucas, save us the hurt pink feelings. You are very fast on the insults and name calling.

The only points you've made are that:

1. Active cloakers get a buff.

To which I reply, yes to some extent, but they also get a nerf. Being detectable--i.e. they lose their 100% immunity.

2. Fleet combat becomes unbalanced/blob fests.

To which I reply, no with intel infrastructure being destructable both sides would be in a similar state of intel. Sure a fleet could hide in station, but that comes with distinct disadvantages. For one, why not anchor some bubbles on the undock? If the fleet in station is going to wait till dreads are in seige then bubble the undock with large t2 bubbles, and have a few hictors on standby too. Or don't use dreads if you are that worried there might be 2,000 guys waiting to undock.

And blobs already happen and people could try to hit the population cap now to try and win. I don't see how removing local would change that much.

3. Roaming cloaked gangs

To which I replied that the intel infrastructure would still report them, but unless you spend alot and upgrade every system you might not have the perfect intel you have now. You might have to be more cautious or adapt your play style, but it is not going to leave you completely blind. And I've also suggested possibly increasing the rewards to null to compensate for the additional risk might be appropriate too. And you've noted that empire mission running is pretty lucrative and about the same as ratting in null...seems reasonable to me.

This is a token nerf at best. It's not a nerf that anyone would even consider a nerf. Compared to the buff you would get fro being the only shiptype to completely avoid intel, its a no brainer for cloakers.

Again though, you'd have to kill intel structures first, alerting them to your attack. Not to mention that would give them a single point of defense to hold before you can even start an offensive. All they have to do is keep a decent fleet there, and you would be forced to either go in blind or send your whole fleet to destroy the intel structure. defending a timer on a structure would be incredibly easy, since they have a limited timespan to engage in.
It would change it because local is only removed on one side. That said, even removing on both sides would make it a strategic nightmare to work with and youd have to rely on 3rd party websites for intel. A ridiculous notion.

Sure, you said they'd announce on entry, but if they are already in a system, they'd not be announced. If your change was put in place I don't see, with the new SOE ships coming out, why anyone would pick any non-cloak ship. Since a cloak ship could only be tracked by a specific hull or module, which also disable to hunting ship, it's an I-win button in small scale combat, and guaranteed to succeed in ganking.

I wouldn't. If I was at my keyboard, but watching netflix on the other screen and saw you and some buddies trying to decloak me, I'd be changing course at the very least and possible warping to a new safe. I'd also know the game was up, you guys were on to me and I'd likely get no targets until I'm no longer in system.

This what I do when running a gate camp by the way. I pulse my mwd as I activate the cloak, and immediately change course. That way the interceptors trying to decloak me will have a harder time.

So at the very least you'd know the guy was AFK or very, very likely AFK.

Utter bull. Firstly, since hes cloaked, I can't see whether it's a straight line or not.
Secondly, you'd be watching them drift further and further away from you, so why would you move?
You still seem to be under the impression that you would be remotely close to a cloaker if you probed him down.

Go back. You replied to Nikk. I replied to you. So we were talking about Nikk's idea. That is why I wrote:



To which you replied again. As did I. You even reference Nikk's post which is in my sig. Then you posted about the decloak pulse, which is not at all what Nikk is suggesting.

Eventually Nikk posted noting you did not read his post, since his solution is not a decloak pulse.

Pretty sure I got the links and the order correct.

A ship that does nothing but hunt cloakers... a bit tunnel-visioned.

That is like calling any ship capable of mounting a covert ops cloak, as a ship that does nothing but cloak.

It simply has limits when the module is active. Whether it is a cloak or the detection module, it's use limits what the ship can do at the time of use.

It is ONE way I suggest as to how to know a cloaked ship is present, the other method being my sensor / overview upgrade, which won't do more than warn you if a cloaked vessel is in range, and you make the effort to know.

I always recommend trade offs, never one sided solutions.
One sided solutions reduce game play, by making situations unbalanced.