Ships & Modules

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Lost all hopes that we will see my beloved Phantasm in the fight, more like on the red side of kb!
Year by year..next time we will focus/rebalance the pirate line ships!
Phanatsm is the only one ship with pround name..DODO!

Well, CCP Fozzie is a machine sent from the future. He spends several hours a day looking for someone named "Sarah Connor" and I am in no rush to tell him to stop as I want to live long and prosper.

CCP Rise has a surprisingly active and fruitful life - if it was up to me I would chain him to his desk, force his eyes open with broken toothpicks while making him listen to motivational music. However, doing this kind of thing in Iceland is like playing the "Go directly to jail, do not collect 200 bucks" Monopoly card and would get me into unjustified trouble. Maybe you could give me a hand to make that happen during next Fanfest?

Pirate ship rebalance should be an improvement to the low level performers period full stop. Anything more would be nothing more than two devs losing their spines and caving to "forumite" pressures which of course is patently absurd.

On the topic of pirate ship rebalance, there isn't really a lot to do there. The Sansha ships needs some love, possibly the Cruor and Ashimmu. But really, Look at what you have on the BSes:

1. Rattlesnake - pretty much the best sub-capital tank in the game (until Bastion-mode Marauders). And good solid DPS.
2. Machariel - fast - hits pretty hard, and maeuvers like a cruiser.
3. Vindicator - Hits like a ton of bricks, but has a shorter effective range, so you FLY it close.
4. Bhaalgorn, a pure PvP boat that is super-good at what it's supposed to do, neut hell out of capitals.
5. Nightmare - Range second to none, decent tank, but has serious capacitor issues.

So, fix the cap issues on the Nightmare, leave the rest mostly alone. They're pretty fairly balanced already.

The cruisers might need a little love. I have a Phantasm, and it works fine for a fair number of things. It's not as versatile as I'd like, and it also suffers some cap issues. Cynabal and Vigilant are both fine as they are. Ashimmu, I've test-fitted and fiddled with on Sisi, but I think in PvP (where it should shine) it might need some love. The Gila is pretty nice as is.

I've had both the Daredevil and the Dramiel for years and they're awesome. The Cruor I've not flown, nor the Worm, but it seems that several ships overshadow the Worm. Maybe it needs some love. I had a succubus in the past as well, and it was OK then, with recent weapons changes, I think it'd be better now.

I think people calling for a major Mach/Cyna nerf haven't flown them lately, compared to others in the class. With all the weapon nerfs and boosts (don't forget Tracking Enhancers) that have happened over the last two years, there's a lot more parity in this class than people realize.

I guess Phantasm's role bonus ate 15th slot.

Where would you put the extra slot if it had the correct number? 7 mids on a cruiser seems excessive, a 4th low would be alright(HS/TE/Nano) and a 3rd utility high seems pointless. So it would have to be another low but that hardly fixes the issues with the hull.

Well, I agree another mid would be excessive and another high would only be useful with another turret hard point. So an extra low seems the reasonable choice. It would be cool to be able to fit a great passive tank on it. In all honesty, the role bonus of 100% bonus damage is huge. That is 3 more effective guns for no slots, fitting or cap drain, so I wonder if an extra slot is even needed.

However, the extra slot is completely justifiable. Ashimmu has the exact same role bonus and 15 slots. The Gila and Stratios both have 15 slots and 125 Mbit/s bandwidth and don't have the slot penalty drone boats typically receive

The Phantasm's problem is, as others have mentioned, with the stats. The power grid specifically is always the problem when I fit it and I have great fitting skills.

I passive tank my Phantasm. It works good. I'd vote for the 4th low slot. Then I could make the passive tank better with several fitting choices, DCU, Power Diag, Shield Flux Coil. It's never going to be a ship I'd attempt to run level 4s in (like I have many times in the Cynabal), but it can crush level 3s well. The extra Cap from a Power Diag might help it's cap issues.

But I'd still say again, any pirate ship rebalance should look to making the weak performers meet the standards set by the better performers in class, not any sort of nerf of the best performers, because they aren't THAT far ahead of the Navy Ships already, and they are supposed to be.

You said you fly this ship and that the single biggest problem with this ship is the capacitor. So if that's the problem, why not some simple bonus that would alleviate/eliminate that problem? It doesn't need to be turned into some god mode toy like has been done in the past as they twiddle around with ships.

IMO that beats the hell out of all these "add slots! change 'em around!" so on and so forth gigs in this thread.

Go with the K.I.S.S. approach vs ending up with another dramiel type over-powered toy due to over tweaking/compensation. If the cap is the issue, then get rid of that issue. If it's more than that (which wasn't apparent until *AFTER* a CCP dev commented) then in very small ways tweak elsewhere.

This is a question. IMO - simply give it something like a ship bonus of faster cap regeneration or whatever it'll take to remove that as a problem. but I don't fly the hull (can but don't) so I'm not sure what it would really take but some of these suggestions ... pretty friggn far out there.

Well, aside from alleviating really bad hull's problems, a good ship requires something going for it as well, a reason to fly it so to say. Considering what kind of T1/faction cruisers we have at the moment, I don't see Phantasm really compelling even if it's easier on cap than now.

As it was said already, perhaps at one point the concept of this hull was interesting (projection of lasers with alleviated tracking issues plus utility slots), but now that tracking lasers became more commonplace and there's not much Phantasm can use those utility highs for effectively, I feel that the ships became an artifact of the past. I don't think that sane amount of additional cap won't really help a lot, and giving it insane one sounds like asking for trouble (and for something silly, like this ship stepping on Ashimmu's toes, of all things)