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[Rubicon] Marauder rebalancing

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TheFace Asano
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5341 - 2013-10-11 21:03:47 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.


DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war.

They have many advantages over the t1 hulls.


Right..The fact that the drone bandwidth is cut by 2/3's is not a nerf in your world.
The fact that the dual web's are being nerfed 92% in effectiveness (yeah, speed of a dual webbed target is now 16 times faster) , that doesn't affect DPS either, huh?

And NO ONE will be taking out roaming gangs of these ships, because they are too damn slow. Unless of course, as I stated, you have a Titan or jump bridge network at your disposal.


You have to factor in that we are likely going to see the speed brought back up on the hulls. You can also MJD 100km every 60 seconds, which can be used tactically to re-position against smaller targets. If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?

Tactics are going to change more in this patch than any other before it I think just because of the warp speed changes. Frigs and Dessies can warp faster than the larger craft. A Marauder will be able to tank those smaller ships while the rest of the fleet makes it to the engagement area if it is the first ship on grid or the small gang catches the Marauder lagging behind (or groups of other large ships).
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5342 - 2013-10-11 21:08:47 UTC
TheFace Asano wrote:

...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...

Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions.
TheFace Asano
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5343 - 2013-10-11 21:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: TheFace Asano
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
TheFace Asano wrote:

...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...

Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions.


Cool thing is this ship can do quite a bit on its own. It is much different than anything on TQ.

edit: I detect sarcasm
Daishan Auergni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5344 - 2013-10-11 21:18:46 UTC
TheFace Asano wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
TheFace Asano wrote:

...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...

Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions.


Cool thing is this ship can do quite a bit on its own. It is much different than anything on TQ.

edit: I detect sarcasm


heh. might wanna get your detector tuned up. this is eve.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5345 - 2013-10-11 21:25:17 UTC
Daishan Auergni wrote:
TheFace Asano wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
TheFace Asano wrote:

...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...

Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions.


Cool thing is this ship can do quite a bit on its own. It is much different than anything on TQ.

edit: I detect sarcasm


heh. might wanna get your detector tuned up. this is eve.

Nope, I can confirm it's working fine.
raawe
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5346 - 2013-10-11 21:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: raawe
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
something you wrote on first page



I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.


  • we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
  • marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
  • they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5347 - 2013-10-11 22:15:18 UTC
raawe wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
something you wrote on first page



I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.


  • we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
  • marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
  • they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative


What exactly is wrong with them?
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5348 - 2013-10-11 22:24:32 UTC
Another question for the testers: Can MWDs be activated while bastion mode is running? Again, since you can't be pointed while in bastion mode, if you can time a MWD cycle to end 2-3 seconds after bastion ends you can leave them with only 2-3 seconds to get a point on you before you enter warp.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#5349 - 2013-10-11 22:28:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
raawe wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
something you wrote on first page



I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.


  • we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
  • marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
  • they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative


What exactly is wrong with them?


They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5350 - 2013-10-11 22:34:33 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
raawe wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
something you wrote on first page



I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.


  • we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
  • marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
  • they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative


What exactly is wrong with them?


They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything.


They have better range, the best subcap tank, immune to all E-war and a bonus to mjd. Right now they are ripping apart small gangs solo.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#5351 - 2013-10-11 22:40:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
raawe wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
something you wrote on first page



I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.


  • we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
  • marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
  • they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative


What exactly is wrong with them?


They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything.


They have better range, the best subcap tank, immune to all E-war and a bonus to mjd. Right now they are ripping apart small gangs solo.


I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5352 - 2013-10-11 22:52:50 UTC
Quote:

I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.


Sure thing. I also invite you to come visit us in curse.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5353 - 2013-10-11 22:59:19 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Desert Ice78 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What exactly is wrong with them?
They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything.
They have better range, the best subcap tank, immune to all E-war and a bonus to mjd. Right now they are ripping apart small gangs solo.
I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.
While the ripping apart small gangs thing is up for debate, that still leaves the stated advantages of the ship and bastion combo that weren't really countered there. So I guess the question of what regarding those aspects you still find less than sufficient still remains.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#5354 - 2013-10-12 01:14:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
raawe wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
something you wrote on first page



I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.


  • we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
  • marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
  • they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative


What exactly is wrong with them?


We already have Battleships, making smaller battleships is stupid
We already have Battlecruisers, making smaller Battlecruisers is stupid
We already have Cruisers, making smaller Cruisers is stupid
We already have Frigates... We should all fly around in shuttles or noob ships, no other ships in eve!

Quote:
  • bastion mode is all wrong atm
    • Why?

    Quote:
    marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too

    Why?

    A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
    Tyberius Franklin
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #5355 - 2013-10-12 01:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
    And I failed
    Rowan Jak
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #5356 - 2013-10-12 01:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowan Jak
    Why arent Bastion moduals on SiSi Anymore???
    Lair Osen
    #5357 - 2013-10-12 01:46:55 UTC
    Rowan Jak wrote:
    Why arent Bastion moduals on SiSi Anymore???


    They are, they've just been reasigned a random name for some reason along with a lot of the other new stuff
    You can find them in the market in weapons upgrades>siege modules called [no messageID: 290003]
    Rowan Jak
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #5358 - 2013-10-12 01:49:21 UTC
    ah ok ty
    Desert Ice78
    Gryphons of the Western Wind
    #5359 - 2013-10-12 08:54:13 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:
    Quote:

    I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.


    Sure thing. I also invite you to come visit us in curse.


    Sure, but I'm not bring a marauder.

    I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

    CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
    Brib Vogt
    Doomheim
    #5360 - 2013-10-12 09:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Brib Vogt
    All the richer guys might be happy about using this ship in pvp, but i doubt i will see a lot of them.

    The following list is from a quote, but is is a good example someone showing benefits, which aren't for pve:

    More cap stability
    • no advantage for any marauder except the paladin
    Better tank
    • in pve u need 10% of the Tank and you only need it because you are pinned down on one spot
    MJD (even awesome in lvl 4s)
    • Rarely
    Less tanking mods = more damage or application mods
    • NO thats the common crap.My Vargur and the kronos are losing damage and the application is not rising at all for the vargur or the golem with torps. all the free slots do nothing, but forcing me to stay in bastion or be crushed through bad tank.
    Ewar immunity
    • Thats the plus! BUT I fly mostly against Angels and i am not scared of the TPs.
    More range
      [*] NOT for my Vargur and mostly not for my old torp golem.