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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Temba Ronin
#2841 - 2013-09-23 21:19:39 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
Dring Dingle wrote:
I'm just praying that this next winter expansion announcement is a modular pos system!!!, my faith in CCP has be slipping away the last year :(



I hear you loud and clear on this, i am currently only playing skill que online at the moment and if the expansion announcement is disappointing i will be unsubbing for a while.
CCP kindly take note of what your customers are saying! POS operators have demonstrated a willingness to invest time and stick with a learning curve, not the demographic EVE Online wants to discourage. Listen to us and make your game a little better.

I too am waiting to see what the next expansion addresses, with foolish optimism, if past is indeed prologue.

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2842 - 2013-09-27 02:07:08 UTC
Temba Ronin wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
Dring Dingle wrote:
I'm just praying that this next winter expansion announcement is a modular pos system!!!, my faith in CCP has be slipping away the last year :(



I hear you loud and clear on this, i am currently only playing skill que online at the moment and if the expansion announcement is disappointing i will be unsubbing for a while.
CCP kindly take note of what your customers are saying! POS operators have demonstrated a willingness to invest time and stick with a learning curve, not the demographic EVE Online wants to discourage. Listen to us and make your game a little better.

I too am waiting to see what the next expansion addresses, with foolish optimism, if past is indeed prologue.



well, we shall see how much substance there is and how much is nothing more than fluff...
I'm not sure about the amount of fallout that will ensue if we keep getting our chains yanked, or keep getting ignored.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2843 - 2013-09-27 03:23:56 UTC
Sadly, I'm getting my accounts ready so that come the expansion I'll spend the $20 USD per character transfer to make it happen if I need to.

I won't mind unsubbing an account or two at that point, and if something needs trained I'll buy my PLEX from Chribba, DOTLAN, or DeepSpaceSupply.


Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2844 - 2013-09-27 15:13:18 UTC
Balder Verdandi wrote:
I'll buy my PLEX


If you are(or end up being) disappointed in CCP and wish to send them a message financially, plex is not the way to do it.

if something needs trained, you're better off to pay cash for the sub and save the money for getting 3 months at a time.
Buying plex actually makes more money for CCP than paying with cash/card/paypal and buying blocks of time longer than 1 month

A GTC that converts into 2 plex costs $34.95, that's $17.475 for each plex (month of game time) as opposed to $14.95 straight cash purchase for one month.
That same $34.95 that when converted to plex will give you 2 months game time can be made to give you 3 months time by simply adding $3.90 to it making a total of $38.85 and saving $6.00 or making CCP take $6.00 less to provide you with the same amount of game time and if you factor in the additional costs of the GTC it can be said that you are actually making them give you that same 3 months of game time that brings in $52.425 to CCP via plex for $13.57 less.

So, if you want to make a statement, PLEX is basically saying "Here CCP, have MORE MONEY!!!!!"

just something to consider.
o/
Celly Smunt.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2845 - 2013-09-27 17:47:44 UTC
Celly S wrote:
Balder Verdandi wrote:
I'll buy my PLEX


If you are(or end up being) disappointed in CCP and wish to send them a message financially, plex is not the way to do it.

if something needs trained, you're better off to pay cash for the sub and save the money for getting 3 months at a time.
Buying plex actually makes more money for CCP than paying with cash/card/paypal and buying blocks of time longer than 1 month

A GTC that converts into 2 plex costs $34.95, that's $17.475 for each plex (month of game time) as opposed to $14.95 straight cash purchase for one month.
That same $34.95 that when converted to plex will give you 2 months game time can be made to give you 3 months time by simply adding $3.90 to it making a total of $38.85 and saving $6.00 or making CCP take $6.00 less to provide you with the same amount of game time and if you factor in the additional costs of the GTC it can be said that you are actually making them give you that same 3 months of game time that brings in $52.425 to CCP via plex for $13.57 less.

So, if you want to make a statement, PLEX is basically saying "Here CCP, have MORE MONEY!!!!!"

just something to consider.
o/
Celly Smunt.




Trust me, I hear you on this ...... This is why I buy in bulk or find a deal like they had on Amazon a few months ago, because I use it for other things like helping my corpmates dual train alts or as prizes for most kills in a month.

Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Jane Schereau
#2846 - 2013-09-28 01:19:19 UTC
+1 for fixing POSs
Oswaldos
The Upside Down
#2847 - 2013-09-29 14:49:03 UTC
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?
Demyen
Araata-Teiva Kamloss
#2848 - 2013-09-29 20:08:38 UTC
Oswaldos wrote:
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?



Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for.

I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.
Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2849 - 2013-10-04 19:30:47 UTC
143 pages.... 2848 posts... 35 times more posts than the next highest post count on page 1 of Jita Park (as of this exact moment).... is commonly refered to as "the dead horse" because of how many times in the past several years it's been brought up as something we the players want changed and it's still getting beaten.... the players have spoken, ccp still dont listen.
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2850 - 2013-10-05 16:25:22 UTC
Demyen wrote:
Oswaldos wrote:
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?



Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for.

I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.



Ahhh such optimism, I remember feeling that same way over 2 years ago .... I hope in another two years you don't loose it like I have xD

As far as the personal hangar arrays, are they not just poco's that are anchorable in side your bubble? I'm holding out for some real changes.... I think it's a stretch to call them a steeping stone.

O7 Dringy
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2851 - 2013-10-06 00:46:50 UTC
Demyen wrote:
Oswaldos wrote:
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?



Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for.

I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.


I would assume no such thing. This is CCP. And they have a very good track record of introducing something and then ignoring it for years.

I would like it if CCP would give some sort of indication where this feature is going. At the moment all it looks like is a new set of deployables, which has nothing to do with a modular POS system.
FightingMoose
Chroma Corp
#2852 - 2013-10-11 17:30:40 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Demyen wrote:
Oswaldos wrote:
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?



Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for.

I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.


I would assume no such thing. This is CCP. And they have a very good track record of introducing something and then ignoring it for years.

I would like it if CCP would give some sort of indication where this feature is going. At the moment all it looks like is a new set of deployables, which has nothing to do with a modular POS system.


I think you're wrong about this. CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).

CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.

Proud owner of an Ibis.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#2853 - 2013-10-13 07:31:17 UTC
FightingMoose wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
Demyen wrote:
Oswaldos wrote:
Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me?



Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for.

I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.


I would assume no such thing. This is CCP. And they have a very good track record of introducing something and then ignoring it for years.

I would like it if CCP would give some sort of indication where this feature is going. At the moment all it looks like is a new set of deployables, which has nothing to do with a modular POS system.


I think you're wrong about this. CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).

CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.


CCP says a lot things. And an awesome sounding vision is the only thing that you can guarantee they will deliver...

Implementing it however...
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2854 - 2013-11-04 04:41:21 UTC
POS love Bumpage!!!!

o/
Celly Smunt

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Frying Doom
#2855 - 2013-11-04 11:54:35 UTC
It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.

Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.

Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.

An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#2856 - 2013-11-05 09:32:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.

Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.

Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.

An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.



Well, maybe... and this is a big maybe....
The new personally deploy-able "depots" will be the start.... idk tbh..

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#2857 - 2013-11-06 15:36:35 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.

Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.

Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.

An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.


I think you're neglecting to mention that they're rebalancing the entire game starting with the easy stuff and finishing where it really counts; pos and caoitals. Rubicon does not feature player built star gates but it was said they're coming. Would you prefer they focus exclusively on pos which as stated accurately are only affecting a small population thanks to most people still living out of npc stations?
Frying Doom
#2858 - 2013-11-07 09:04:16 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.

Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.

Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.

An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.


I think you're neglecting to mention that they're rebalancing the entire game starting with the easy stuff and finishing where it really counts; pos and caoitals. Rubicon does not feature player built star gates but it was said they're coming. Would you prefer they focus exclusively on pos which as stated accurately are only affecting a small population thanks to most people still living out of npc stations?

Rebalancing does not an expansion make.

As to player built stargates coming. They have also said Modular POS is coming, atmospheric flight is coming, walking in stations is coming, etc etc..

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Balder Verdandi
Wormhole Sterilization Crew
#2859 - 2013-11-07 10:14:57 UTC
I agree ....


Walking in stations was planned back a couple years ago.

POS fixes were promised last year, including a fix to roles and modular POS's, which has been a topic that's been beaten like a dead horse.

I can see a balance to ships, and I agreed with most of it. What I fear is CCP doesn't know how to fix POS's because there isn't any documentation for it and that programming team is gone, and we've been left holding the bag for far too long.




Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"!

POS fix dated back to 2006!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2860 - 2013-11-07 13:08:12 UTC
FightingMoose wrote:
CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).

CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.


100% correct.

POS are an abomination. It's going to take a long time to fix them without breaking things in exciting and unpredictable ways. There are many other calls on dev resources. Deployables have the potential to offer an 'end run' around the issue for many of the things that people need POS for in the first place.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016