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an issue with war-dec and criminal system
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Edwin McAlister
Empire Hooligans
#1 - 2013-10-11 11:02:39 UTC
the war declaration system has a minor flaw in it
when combined with the crime watch

Corp A can declare war on Corp B... no problem

when Corp A engages Corp B... they call in Corp C, D, E to provide logistical support

this flags Corp C, D, and E as criminals for a short period

this allows "neutral" corps to actively engage in supporting war-dec's to a certain degree for long periods of time with out having to pay the general fees that go along with a declaration of war.

possible solution:

any Corp that unlawfully engages in supporting another Corp in an authorized war receives a criminal flag on those members that participated for a 24 (or longer) hour duration (or possibly the entire corp receives criminal flag)
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#2 - 2013-10-11 11:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Hopelesshobo
Edwin McAlister wrote:

possible solution:

any Corp that unlawfully engages in supporting another Corp in an authorized war receives a criminal flag on those members that participated for a 24 (or longer) hour duration (or possibly the entire corp receives criminal flag)


Now THIS would NEVER be abused....nobody would EVER

Alt Corp A wardecs Alt Corp B

Spy Corp C helps Alt Corp B, thus flagging the entire corp

At which point Main Corp A, B, C, D proceed to gank all undocked prey in Spy Corp C's corporation.


Other then all that, it's also just a way to keep a free wardec going.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Edwin McAlister
Empire Hooligans
#3 - 2013-10-11 11:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Edwin McAlister
spying is one thing.. that is gathering intel on possible targets of opportunity, no issues with that

having a small fleet of logistics from corp C that are not part of the war jump in to support corp A

and corp B not being able to do anything about it until corp C becomes criminal flaged and even then, they are only able to do something about it for a very short window.. yes, corp B could also then wardec corp C.....

however Corp C should be punished for its illegal activities of using a loop hole in the system to avoid paying fees to concord to authorize them to engage in concord sanctioned warfare thus concord should criminal flag them for 24 hours at a minimum.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-10-11 16:46:45 UTC
And what happens when I wardec myself with an altcorp, go incursion running with the relevant agression flags active, and get all of the incursion logis criminal flagged for helping me?
Edwin McAlister
Empire Hooligans
#5 - 2013-10-12 02:48:57 UTC
ahhh I see what you are saying

is there no way in the code to determine if player A is illegally assisting player B who is attacking player C in a legal war and thus flagging player A as criminal beyond the 15 min or what ever it is time limit?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-10-12 05:27:00 UTC
How woul;d it tell the differance between player A, who was helping out someone under a genuine wardec, and player D, who had the same aggression flags from an altcorp wardec?
Edwin McAlister
Empire Hooligans
#7 - 2013-10-12 07:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Edwin McAlister
so the problem comes down to code issues

the simplification of the code for the crime watch is actually hindering a possible fix for this loop hole

while I agree with the "your a criminal, everyone can shoot you" , I feel there needs to be a fix for this round about way that wars are fought in game.