Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The thread moves to page two and not half an hour later a new AFK cloaky thread spawned. -.-

They're like mutated super fast breeding lemmings.

I think ISD should just sitcky it. Seriously. Those threads breed like rabbits.

You mean you wont have a scout in their staging system? Said scout can't gasp use a cloak and sit at a tactical off their bridging titan?!? Said scout can't periodically hit the d-scan button!?!?!?!

Is this the Fleet of the Ret@rded?

Not to mention spies, turn coats, and that you could send in a black ops gang to...oh I don't know, knock out enemy intel infrastructure.

Jesus F*cking Christ.

Yeah, this is one I should have picked up at once too. Good catch, Teckos.

The opponent sends an entire fleet to wipe out structures, and if, as you point out, home intel is such a grand advantage...
Then it will also become a priority target.

They won't expose their fleet numbers or composition without disabling intel along their chosen route of access.

If the home team decides not to commit? Free victory.

When somebody comes up with a bad side effect, then I'll consider it. Your entire post is a complete ad hominem by the way. I point out that this complaint about it destroying fleet combat is wildly exaggerated if not outright nonsense.

Right now, in the game as is, scouts are used in staging systems. Scouts are used along anticipated routes. D-scan will still work and there are ways players can take the information from D-scan and make them easily usable by FCs, even better than local, in fact.

Yes, if it is a station system the defenders could all dock up and try to hide. However, that also puts the defender at a distinct disadvantage, especially if their intel infrastructure is knocked out. They'd be left with using D-scan as well. And if they are even a bit late undocking they could find themselves undocking into a waiting fleet at its optimals with their tanks running, scripted modules active and ready to lock up ships as they undock and try to turn on their tanks. Logistics might also be particularly vulnerable as well since they'd have to undock and lock each other up while hostile logistics could already be up and running.

Could they have a fleet of 2,000 in that station? Sure. But so what? With the current mechanics if the other side had 2,000 guys ready to go chances are the other side isn't even going to engage. And I doubt with a new intel mechanic people are always going to assume, "The other side has 2,000 guys." And as I noted they'll be working to try and determine the other sides fleet size and strength.

Oh, and if 2,000 guys start undocking, the fleet in system will have some time to bail, especially with some good bubbling of the undock. Which is what they'd do with the current mechanic.

So, I find Lucas' argument totally facile and flacid, like an over cooked rice noodle.



Ahhh, and appeal to authority with nothing to back it up. Your problem here is that EVE has changed alot since 2004 and it has survived just fine. So, again, I find this argument completely lacking in merit since it is basically you saying, "I've been in game longer, shut up noob."

TL;DR: I've been playing longer than you, so shut up.

The defender being able to set up an ambush before hand, and having an advantage on intel. And you think this is not in the game already.

And local will stop that interdictor somehow. Because that name on local tells you what they are flying.
If they are going to ambush that attacking fleet, they are going to wait for it to be together, and do it. Local won't stop anything.

This is EVE and welcome to EVE. If you have 800 guys, there is very low chances that you are going to win over someone else with 2k peoples in that fleet. The only way you can cause damage to them is to do sneak attacks on them when they don't expect you to do that on them.

I have been doing massive 0.0 space fleet fights my self where we have been massively outnumbered where our space have been invaded and tried to be taken over by someone else. Our POS'es in system was getting hammered by tons of capital ships while we only could sit in our POS'es / stations waiting for them to die.

However, even when we was massively outnumbered, we had a nice trick laying around that we was going to use against them that basicly would make their whole fleet collapse if our tactic would go as planned.

While we was sitting in our POS that was getting hammered by capital ships, then suddenly their main battleship, battlecruiser fleet warped in to our POS to shoot it to be able to kill it faster (it was this we was waiting for them to do). But our super secret plan was now to move 2x dictors at full speed out from our POS towards the Battleship and capital fleet to drop bubbles on them.

At this time i had no clues on what was going to happen. But what we did was to drop those 2 bubbles on them and then wait for the hired Titan pilot (Rawthorm) to warp in about 120 km away from the POS it self some very few seconds later and then fire of his Doomsday. Yes this was when the doomsdays was hitting everyone in the grid.

The doomsday was fired off and Rawthorm did warp away some few seconds later and the attackers didn't had the time to get out of the bubble before it was to late. Around 85% of their battleship and battlecruiser gang and all of the drones to the capital ships went kaboom. Someone was lucky to get out alive though.

This basicly made it so that the attackers didn't had a backup fleet to back the capital ships up with anylonger that was shooting our POS. After most of those battleships and battlecruisers was out, we sent in some new dictors to bubble up all of the capital even more. We had time to do this as they all was sieged.

Now, we all went in to kill the capital ships with our own fleet / capital fleet. And we did kill about 30-35 of their capital ships. I was kinda unlucky to only get on some few kills of those. But we did kill of their whole fleet that was about 3 times bigger than what we had.

So by your logic, those defenders shouldn't lose their space because they don't have the balls to attack back even when the odds are slim to win?

If they want to sit docked, they are free to do so. But they should't whine later that they did lose their space because they was lazy and didn't make ANY efforts to defend their space. This is how EVE works. If you do no efforts here, you will achieve nothing either.

Ofc, this is many years ago since that happened. But i still think it should be like this today.

TLDR: We did the almost impossible thing and executed a perfectly timed plan and killed a force 3 times bigger than us, because we was smarter than them.



Yes, i have been in this game longer than you until you can prove that you have been playing this game long enough to understand the whole 0.0 / low sec and empire space mechanics.

It doesn't help to change something that YOU thinks is good when all it does is to create much more problems over what it actually are fixing.

And can you at the same time explain WHY your local change idea is good and why it's good for everyone that makes EVE to a better game and also explain why you think it wont affect fleet battles in any ways?

Lets see how smart you are to really see behind the fingers to see if you ignores some crucial flaws with your local idea.

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

In the same way as you have been doing all the time and at the same time just ignores the problems such a change to local is going to have?