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Private tournaments and dev's tournament rewards discussion.

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MiMozO
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-09 03:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: MiMozO
Greetings fellow capsuliers and CCP devs.
I would like to share with you two toughts of mine, about the tournament system in EVE online. I have no intention of offending somebody, it's just my opinions, please feel free to add any constructive criticism on the matter. So, here we go...
First about custom tornaments.
The only way alliances can show their power is war nowadays, the problem is – the war isn't really the best way to show something.
In any sandbox MMO, people would like to hold their own tournaments, for fun or for fame, whatever they want.
While some attempts of creating custom tournaments do have a place in EVE, it's very low scale and awkward now.
We need some more instruments to make our own fun in more convenient way.
Maybe some hi-sec pits for those tournaments. And an ability to stream action on those useless TV panels around gates, and into people's captain's quarters. We definitely need some system which would allow world wide announces for those tournaments. (Can be done as an extension for calendar.) That way people would be able to create tons of interesting events for any type of participants. Low scale tournament, for example, with low entry requirements, would be the best way for a young corporation to find some promising newbie pilots. It's much better than yelling in local, and droping advertisement containers. (Is it that difficult to create a player owned advertisement board with a small monthly fee for that?)
And as a second matter, I would like to discuss a present dev tournament rewards.
I'm speaking about special edition ships. I want to ask CCP: what the purpose of those? Reward for exceptional pilots, who won the tournament? Really? Then where are those pilots? I can't see any of them flying around, annihilating everything it style. And they will never do so. Because nobody is going to fly a frigate made of 5 ran BPC which cost 50billion. It's just ridiculous, one frigate would cost you around 3 years of EVE subscription. Ships in EVE are expendables, and there is no point in having expendable item with no replacement. If someone will ever fly it, it will be in hi-secs from station to station, because should he step in lows, his flight wont be long, he will be hunted by the whole region in seconds. Most of those BPC's – the prize for the best PvP, have already been sold for money!!! Those “prizes” have no meaning for the winners, other than money! It's not the Winner who have those ships, but the Fat Pockets. Excellent rewards for exceptional farmers. Collectors you say? Is EVE a collect all the ships game? How many collectors we have in EVE who will buy those ships? 0.1% I presume.
So I ask you again, what you spent your time on, CCP? You have created ships, which 98% players of EVE will never see, and 99.9% will never fly. So basicaly you have created not a ship, but just a market entry, nothing more. Cavrion, Malice, Utu, Freki, all efforts to create those ships, for example, could be used to make an extension to the present assault frigate lineup, but you have chosen to turn it into ghost ships, which have a close to zero impact on the game. You wasted your time, just like with capitan's quarters.
Come on, it's a reward for the BEST PvP'ers out-there. Give the guys some handsome amount of money to cover their expenses, and give them something memorial. Not just an old granddad's medal for their inventory, but something they can really show to people. Non-destructible “Auroral” implant and things like that is the way to go! Give the captain of the winning team an implant, which will give him a custom skin rookie ship. Hell, even give that rookie ship some T1 frigate stats, so the guy will be able to actually USE it in PvP, if he wants to show off a bit. And everyone will be able to check the ship's info and read about the guy's great deeds, while he tearing them apart. It wont hurt economics that bad, to have a few people with unlimited supply of T1 non-reprocess, non-trade T1 frigates of one type. I mean, they won THE TOURNAMENT they deserve that. And people around them would be able to interact with those ships, boast when they scoring a kill on the “BIG GUY”, and big guys would have no reason to not fly those ships.
Let us all(including actual reward winners) have some fun with those rewards, STOP CREATING USELESS AND NO FUN THINGS PLEASE.
As for those special edition ships you have already created, why not to put those ships in use? You have them already anyway. I mean look at them, those are perfect candidates for faction T2 stuff. Make them available to people through heavy null exploration, complex running and other things like that. Frigate should cost on the market around 200-300 mil, cruiser – around 1 billion. Very expensive, but still affordable if you really want it. You can use it as additional rewards on tournaments as well. Just inroduce a new T2 faction ship with next tournament, and give out the EVE's first BPCs to the winners. They will be able to build it and use new ships, among the first. Or they can sell BPC or ships for extra cash, if they need it, considering the price should be very high at the beginning, when the supply is very low.
Both, private tournaments, and new rewards for dev's tournament will boost the tournament popularity a lot. I mean every custom tournament can go with alliance/corp selfPR and political issues that will give people chances to participate, topics to talk and streaming to watch. For dev's tournaments, announces of new ships, which will be available for common people after some time, will draw much more attention. And limited edition rookie ships which will be rare, but sill will be spotted fighting here and there will remind people, that the tournament way do exist in this game.
Thats it.) Thanks for reading.

P.S. Sorry for my English.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2 - 2013-10-09 04:55:57 UTC
I see that you've never won a tournament and are jealous of those who have.

Seriously, if it bothers you so much then log onto the test server; the alliance ships are seeded there for 100 ISK each and you can fly them as much as you want. I still need to report the turret placement bug on the Malice.
MiMozO
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-10-09 06:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: MiMozO
Jealous? Did you even read what I wrote? I think I made my point clear. I see those prizes, winners got, really poor. Neither I want it, nor I think it has any meaning. I don't need those ships. Why should I want a ship I wont fly? To sell it? While those money are insane, money can be obtained in many ways. I have enough to fly and I'm fine with that.
I'm trying say that CCP wasted time on creating those ships. Instead of creating something useful they have created nothing. Those ships don't exist, nobody will see them. They will gather dust in hangars until the very last day of the EVE. And for tournament winners, who earned that ships, those bring nothing but money, which they probably have already.
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I still need to report the turret placement bug on the Malice.

What does your report has to do with topic theme?
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-10-09 06:11:49 UTC
Nobody risks tournament rewards in PvP you say? I'm just going to leave this right here.
MiMozO
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-09 06:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: MiMozO
That's it? Some kill mail, real or not, on killboard? So you think that one - two, kill mails is going to make it for all those ships?
Who have seen those ships? Even on scanner? Who fought them? Rise your hands.
I just don't believe those occasional killboard entries justify the time wasted on these ships.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2013-10-09 06:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Run a search for your general tournament idea. It would create too many issues and runs the risk of killing PvP that isn't structure grinding and/or resources.


The second idea on the special edition tournament ships... no. They are fine as is. They are something to strive towards (note: noone is entitled to them) and introducing them as something to win on a daily basis dilutes their value and will make them worthless to collectors and the winners alike.

Plus, have you SEEN the stats on those ships? Many of them are goddamn overpowered! I hate to see them in general circulation.
MiMozO
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-09 06:45:01 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Run a search for your general tournament idea. It would create too many issues and runs the risk of killing PvP that isn't structure grinding and/or resources.


The second idea on the special edition tournament ships... no. They are fine as is. They are something to strive towards (note: noone is entitled to them) and introducing them as something to win on a daily basis dilutes their value and will make them worthless to collectors and the winners alike.

Plus, have you SEEN the stats on those ships? Many of them are goddamn overpowered! I hate to see them in general circulation.


For what reason it would kill PvP?
Tournament is a tournament, it's a fair fight 1vs1/2vs2... Completely differed form wild style.

Well, what stops you from striving for entitled ships?

And I wouldn't really call a heavy null complex/expedition a daily basis though.
Those ships still have to be very rare, not the rate you would call a general circulations.
Though I would agree that those stats sometime is a bit to much for a circulation ship.