Player Features and Ideas Discussion

People use 12 1 slot tanked DPS and 1 Logi, nobody will use a active tanked Vargur for it. Also with the web nerf and speed nerf, both Paladin and Kronos(that actually do see a lot of use in armor Incs and are quite good at it) become just a joke.

Btw armor Marauders already can do them one slot tanked and without logis by spider tanking, the only reason people came up with the active tanking idea was that they are bad at Incursions and don't realize why everybody moved away from wasting slots on tank(because you just lose contests and a lot isk/h this way).



A mega with 3 trimarks and 3 plates is 270m/s faster than this, actually much faster than any marauder. The golem *is* slow, it will be a utterly useless brick with the changes, at least if you actually use it with the weapon system it was designed for, torpedoes.

on TQ a golem pwns all mobs while slowboating to the gate on sisi you need to use bastion to pwn the bots because the hull doesnt work without it zzz

CCP can we now get some normal attribute buffs to tq marauders ( similar on how t1 bs got served ) instead of that bastion and mjd thingy ???

Fact remaisn, ships that tank 2 times more than ships that ALREADY overtanked is useless.

MJD is WORSE than old mobility with a good deadspace AB. So its a HUGE nerf to mobility (pve wise). THe change in signature and mobility make them much weaker for PVP.

THe immunity to ewar i sminimal efffect, since no one cares for the battleships that cannot move and doe snot have more damage than a normal ship.

I mean the tank bonus is okay, because you can get rid of a lot med slot items on a shield tank. My Vargur was perfect with X-Large shield booster, 2 specific hardeners. Normally i have an additional Invul and a heavy cap-booster. now i have two tracking computer, or one and a web.

But what gives me Bastion if the fall-off bonus does not apply? why use the TCs if they steal bastions advantage?

Because my vargur is cheaper, edit: and because i am highly semi afk. p.s.: old warning sounds were easier to hear from kitchen ^^

Having tested it on Sisi: Give the Kronos its web bonus back, the falloff bonus is a terrible substitute.

1. With null, Neutron II's and 2 mag stabs you push 756 DPS at 26km (50% falloff) - that's a whole 5km further than on TQ... wow, amazing

2. In Bastion, that pushes up to 35km. Superb. For comparison, 425 MM Railgun II's do 805 DPS at 36km….

3. Hull falloff bonus is a bit pointless for Railguns when you can use the 5 sec reload to switch to the appropriate ammo

4. Railgun fits are hampered by the loss of sentry drones

4. Hull falloff bonus in place of a web bonus kills the damage application with Void (6.75km optimal) - pretty big deal for Incursion runners, high-end WH stuff, and not to mention PvP.

5. The hull moves slower than a stuck pig now, before you could do interesting dual-prop shenanigans with MJD and a deadspace AB

As discussed before. Go back on the hull bonus changes, get bastion and MJD bonus working properly then move forward. I've still seen no dev explain the justification for removing the web bonus.

And yes, before someone else jumps in with "hur hur, no one uses the Kronos in PvP" - of course they ******* do, the web bonus combined with the utility highs were the whole point to using it (over a Vindicator for example).

I count this for paladin and I should have around 1000+ dps on 75 optimal (multi) or 900+ on 90+ (gamma) optimal so I am pretty happy and thanks to cap change I have free slots. And this values were even with 1600 omni tank (which is not needed, but it should work like moving artilerry with enough tank even without bastion and if needed just use bastion but it wont be needed in most of the missions). The optimal range bonus helps a lot for paladin :-)

I can even fit afterburner and have less range which will be maybe even better because I wont be slow as hell when I need to move to gate ...

The bad thing is that it must stay on one place:-(

If there will be selectable jump bonus it will be really great and it will solve lot of problems. Without that I still considering that I will fit MJD and afterburner instead of 2x tracking computer + MJD

People need to stop thinking only with their pve min/max hats on.

Thats only because the ships were terrible for pvp. CCP intend to not only make them able to do pvp but make them viable against everything else out there so demanding all of these pve changes that would make them useless for pvp are not going to happen.