Player Features and Ideas Discussion

By testing:

- Paladin can at least fit what You want, have superb cap (don't even try to nerf it), and that great range, but it have the worst damage type ammo and bad tracking compared to others

- Kronos definitely needs another med slot

- Vargur suffer the most because of bastion stacking ranges, it's not worth anything now when compared to others

- Golem, just a missile ship, range bonus on bastion is too damn low! and no other missile bonuses...

Bastion itself:

- tanking bonuses are cool but it's useless in PVE (at least in such big amount)
- ewar immunity that's the only useful bonus
- range bonuses... WTF CCP???!!! why its getting stacking penalized?
- it should buff sensors
- it should give no heat damage when overheating high slots or something else because that useles overtanked bonuses with stacking penalized range bonuses are not worth it to be immobilized


They need something more useful (when Rubicon hitting) in PVE than that tractor range (tractor structure makes that bonus useless).
8th high slot need to go away for something better like 3rd rig slot with veeery big calibration (600? would be cool )

All of marauders are too slow, and i mean not only their speed but terrible allign time and low warp speed (buff them buff them!)

All of them are no use in Incursions
In lvl4 missions:

• Paladin may be better option than Nightmare for EM rats (that range, capacitor , both MJD and MWD fitted, ewar immunity)
• Kronos is more or less the same as Vindi in terms of effectiveness vs serpentis etc when fitting rails. Vindi is faster, more agile and got web bonus, Kronos can laught at these damps. No clear winner here
• Golem well... still RNI better because it's faster, more agile, half the price and with tractor structure golem loose it's trump card
• Vargur seems bad, because of no full range bonus in bastion, and nerf to speed in every aspect

Can't see the application for MJD. Have run a few missions and MWD or AB seem to be much better. With Paladin range bonus for most missions you don't need bastion at all. It will be handy in just few harder missions.

Speed nerf hurts. A lot.

I can now fit 4 dmg mods for my Paladin (about 850 dps with scorch without drones), 2 IN EANM for 81/75/75/77 omni tank with bastion. Thats more than enough for any mission.

Fitting a web is actually a good idea now, since u don't need cap rechargers. It will help to deal with close orbiting cruisers and u can still fit propulsion and 1 TC.

Summary:

Bastion is meh. Immobility cancels out any bonuses it gives. Only ewar immunity is great.

MJD is totally useless (IMHO).

Tractor bonus does not correspond with range of guns and is next to useless now.

With bastion and drone nerf the ship could actually use a huge bonus to drones (like 10% dmg, hp, tracking) since it can only deploy lights. It would massively help dealing with elite frigs.

Speed nerf was done to force us into MJD. Sorry CCP I still wont use this module.

60 seconds cooldown on bastion is tragic. In most cases u sit 30 sec on grid while everything is dead and than u have to align. Before u could align while the last rat was dying.

Keep you marauder in hangar for 4-5 hardest missions. For the rest use a tengu or something.

Stop thinking about PvE limitations

a bs immobile in pvp is enough, sitting duck full damage to be taken, all it will take is a couple stealth bombers. the current iteration of the bastion module drawbacks is fine

Why would I not think about the pve limitations in a ship designed for pve????

if your mission does not have huge distances between gates n has big spawns then the golem is great u can fit it with a small booster and easily tank extravaganza final room

There is no leftover distance if you do it right. It's pretty easy given the large "hitbox" of the Acceleration Gates. Cargo containers with mission items is another story though, I guess.

Well it seems that Marauders are nearly invulnerable if you fit them right.

I don't really know what to make of this.

In L4s the only thing that matters is DPS, or, well, applied DPS. Bastion is useless here. You don't need tank anyways, and you can't dictate the range like you can in anoms where everything spawns in the same place.

The Marauders are mainly good for w-space and for nullsec anom running. Just do forsaken hubs and asteroid havens with something like this:

[New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

100MN Microwarpdrive II
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Cap Recharger II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II,Void L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Bastion Mode I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator II

MWD to center of spawn, activate bastion and immediately turn it red, shoot stuff, tractor in BS wrecks that have loot, have salvage drones going salvaging stuff for you. When bastion runs out, MWD to where the next spawn appears, repeat. Blaster tracking is good enough to hit frigates if you web them, and this tanks enough dps for Gurista/Serpentis anoms.

I tried it in Worlds Collide. First MJD activation from the beacon led me to 96km from the gate, second one I was at 0. It's really not that difficult. The only real issue I can see is the time waiting for the cycle to end to then MJD to the gate and warp through it, but it can be solved by simply deactivating it when you know you'll kill the remaining NPCs in less than one minute.