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[Rubicon] Command Ship Models

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Cassius Invictus
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#381 - 2013-10-07 07:18:48 UTC
OTMOROSOK wrote:
Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:

Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?



Man you shoud learn to read more cerrfully before you rage... they are not changing the names. Thy are changing colors. Names posted by CCP Fozzie relate to hull+color of the hull not the actuall name of the ship.
Luwc
Maidens Of The Chalice
Two Maidens One Chalice
#382 - 2013-10-07 07:23:02 UTC
a horrible waste of time.

you guys should read the EN24 replies.
http://evenews24.com/2013/10/0%203/dev-post-rubicon-command-ship-models/

http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif

Kane Fenris
NWP
#383 - 2013-10-07 07:23:23 UTC
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:
OTMOROSOK wrote:
Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:

> The plan is:
> Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger
> Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon
> Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake
> Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?

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The player.


As mentioned a lot of times already, they are not changing the names. They only said which skin/model that ship will become...
Names are safe...



you did not understand him Roll

one part of the reasoning for the change was that now models and progression should be optically possible.
he was sarcastic, by saying people would actually identify ships like that when the use overview and names .....

so basically the main "gameplay" reasoning for this change is bull****
Kane Fenris
NWP
#384 - 2013-10-07 07:25:21 UTC
Luwc wrote:
a horrible waste of time.

you guys should read the EN24 replies.
http://evenews24.com/2013/10/0%203/dev-post-rubicon-command-ship-models/



totally support devs read the comments +1
vVPhaetonVv
vVHeliosVv
#385 - 2013-10-07 07:31:12 UTC
Agreed with OTMOROSOK. Why just change one hull to another? It doesn`t make any sense. Why don`t create 4 brand new models? Its not so difficult and expensive, i know it for sure, as i am gamedev too. And remove stupid camouflage please!
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#386 - 2013-10-07 07:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Liafcipe9000
Pellit1 wrote:
While I think the Eos looks awesome, the Sleipnir and Abso are iconic, and the Nighthawk looks sexy as hell as it is. Would prefer the Vulture to become the drake hull if anything Straight

New Sleip just looks like a Fleet Hurricane Sad


perhaps a new paint coat for Boundless Creation ships? I REALLY loved the old black wolf with the red lighting and strips on it. I think Boundless Creation should go back to dark red paint jobs again.

bloody red tiger Hurricane. **** YEAH!!
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#387 - 2013-10-07 08:40:13 UTC
Another thought for you, Fozzie, should you read this:

I've read through the thread and a lot of the objections seem to be against the changes to the Sleipnir and the Nighthawk specifically, as both ships are iconic of Eve Online. The Sleipnir especially, given its ubiquitous use in recent Aliiance Tournaments.

Likewise, the Hurricane and the Drake are possibly the two most overused ships in the history of this game. Both ships are so instantly recognizable that, from a promotional standpoint, they are far more characteristic of Eve than any other command ship or battlecruiser could hope to be.

You are proposing to take these legendary, distinctive ships, and make them look like each other.

I don't want new models. I like the ones we have already. But if you had posted images of completely new command ship models in the OP, this plan of yours would seem less… distasteful.
Fel'ina Twilight
Quam Singulari
#388 - 2013-10-07 10:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Fel'ina Twilight
- Switch Hurricane and Cyclone roles (change the Hurricane to a missile boat, change the Cyclone to a gun-boat)
- Sleipnir can stay as now and have the crap cyclone skin
- Change the Claymore to have the Hurricane skin.

Everyone happy now?


Edit: the 'Claymore' is a sword and the Hurricane looks like a sword a bit. So it makes sense actually.
Leto Atal
LoneStar Industries
Comatose Alliance
#389 - 2013-10-07 10:37:19 UTC
Fel'ina Twilight wrote:
- Switch Hurricane and Cyclone roles (change the Hurricane to a missile boat, change the Cyclone to a gun-boat)
- Sleipnir can stay as now and have the crap cyclone skin
- Change the Claymore to have the Hurricane skin.

Everyone happy now?


Edit: the 'Claymore' is a sword and the Hurricane looks like a sword a bit. So it makes sense actually.


I'd be happier if the Cyclone were not changed to a missile boat in the first place. If they want to include missiles as an option on Minmatar ships I'd prefer to see more split weapon system designs like the old Typhoon or the new Typhoon Navy Issue.

If the Hurricane were changed to a missile boat there would be outrage, probably more so than the CCP proposed Sleipnir changes here.

Kane Fenris
NWP
#390 - 2013-10-07 10:42:27 UTC
Leto Atal wrote:
Fel'ina Twilight wrote:
- Switch Hurricane and Cyclone roles (change the Hurricane to a missile boat, change the Cyclone to a gun-boat)
- Sleipnir can stay as now and have the crap cyclone skin
- Change the Claymore to have the Hurricane skin.

Everyone happy now?


Edit: the 'Claymore' is a sword and the Hurricane looks like a sword a bit. So it makes sense actually.


I'd be happier if the Cyclone were not changed to a missile boat in the first place. If they want to include missiles as an option on Minmatar ships I'd prefer to see more split weapon system designs like the old Typhoon or the new Typhoon Navy Issue.

If the Hurricane were changed to a missile boat there would be outrage, probably more so than the CCP proposed Sleipnir changes here.




i dont like the graphics changes proposed here but i have to say the missile changes made the cyclone an ******* awesome ship.

if you doubt the cyclones pvp capabilities you clearly have no clue what your talking about
(split weapons suck in pvp typhoon fleet has monster dps on paper but in pvp ill take a typhoon non fleet)
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#391 - 2013-10-07 11:53:48 UTC
I still maintain that these are very, very bad changes.

After some time to reflect I see the obvious problem is the Myrmidon; a hull which deserves more use. It is the only combat battlecruiser hull without any variants, for whatever reason. It needs a variant, of course. The opportunity that was spurned with the introduction of Navy battlecruisers now comes back to haunt. Why Navy Canes, Bingers & Drakes (previous tier 2 hulls) were released alongside the Navy Brutix (previous tier 1), an already overused hull is beyond mortal comprehension. The Navy battlecruiser should have been the Myrm and the decision to do otherwise was very poor.

What we have here is an apparently lazy, hamfisted attempt to fix the problem; sh*tting over the remaining hulls in the process. Stupid. You're essentially replacing the Myrmidon at the underused table with the Ferox, Cyclone and Prophecy.

I reiterate from my previous post. Loldrake, another Cane? Do not want.
Fel'ina Twilight
Quam Singulari
#392 - 2013-10-07 12:09:22 UTC
On second thought,

yeah, changing the Hurricane is a bad idea.
just give the Hurricane skin to the Claymore.
Tal'aaq
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#393 - 2013-10-07 13:28:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tal'aaq
it's a shame the sleipnir will lose its striking visual correlation to its namesake: the 8-panel array of the Cyclone hull. the Hurricane has the 8 flippers, but they're mismatched and small
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#394 - 2013-10-07 14:39:01 UTC
Hey everyone, I'm back from vacation and now fully caught up on this thread. Thanks for the feedback so far.

The proposed models will be working on Sisi when it updates later today so you guys can see them ingame for yourselves.

Quick point that I saw come up a few times, this change does not affect the names of the ships, they'll still be called the Absolution, Sleipnir, Eos and Nighthawk.

Weaselior wrote:
This owns, thanks.

Are there any manufacturing changes besides just swapping the BPC you need to use to invent and the base ship needed?

Nope, those are the only two changes to the manufacturing process for these ships we have planned.

I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Kane Fenris
NWP
#395 - 2013-10-07 15:19:44 UTC
when i read fozzie's post i come to the conclusion
the chance that any changes are made is the one of hell freezing over in summer
Alyssia Benar
Vision Inc
Hole Control
#396 - 2013-10-07 15:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssia Benar
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models.

But why are you guys planning to change it if there is no need to do so?
Nobody was ever complaining about the CS models (atleast i had never noticed).

I'm already missing my Sleipnir cause the Cyclone model feels so fitting. Sad
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#397 - 2013-10-07 15:47:01 UTC
Alyssia Benar wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models.

But why are you guys planning to change it if there is no need to do so?
Nobody was ever complaining about the CS models (atleast i had never noticed).

I'm already missing my Sleipnir cause the Cyclone model feels so fitting. Sad


how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?

cuss i sure do...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Alyssia Benar
Vision Inc
Hole Control
#398 - 2013-10-07 15:52:58 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?

cuss i sure do...

Like i said i had never noticed anyone complaining about the command ship models.
Now as they intreduced the changes alot of ppl find them very nice looking but there wasn't a massive shitstorm about ppl crying for new command ship models before.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#399 - 2013-10-07 15:55:42 UTC
Alyssia Benar wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?

cuss i sure do...

Like i said i had never noticed anyone complaining about the command ship models.
Now as they intreduced the changes alot of ppl find them very nice looking but there wasn't a massive shitstorm about ppl crying for new command ship models before.


true enough but there were some like me who did raise the idea over the years.

its like when they changed the covert ops model.... back in the day both EAS and covert ops had the same model... then they changed it and now the old covert ops is now the EAS.

i am still lobying for the ishkur to look like a tech II tristan...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Hanna Cyrus
Spessart Rebellen
#400 - 2013-10-07 16:10:16 UTC
I'm sorry to say, it:s not a good idea. I like the hulls that are used now. I don't want to see 3 times the same hull (normal, navy and planned the t2).

It makes no sense for me, there are other things, that need really love, but this is working as it should be. (2 times the hulls and not 3 vs 1).