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Here is why high sec LP stores don't give pirate ships......

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-10-04 08:13:38 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool



You think you can't get angel, gurista, sansha and whatnot with LP.....LOL
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-10-04 09:14:43 UTC
Steijn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool


the number of npc kills just make it look like a standard nullsec botting system.


The vast bulk of bots are in high sec because afk cloakers cant get them there.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#43 - 2013-10-04 09:24:53 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool



You think you can't get angel, gurista, sansha and whatnot with LP.....LOL


In hi-sec?

How?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
wowyouareacow
NANA221 Corporation
#44 - 2013-10-04 09:37:15 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
When I think Humanitarian Aid group, I generally don't tend to think Covert ops cloaked full flight of bonused sentries and armor resist bonuses.... but hey, maybe the Red Cross will start storming beaches with their own amphibious assault vehicles armed with grenade launchers and a full flight of preditors.


Im going to help you to death dammit.



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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#45 - 2013-10-04 09:46:09 UTC
Wouldn't it be funny in an Incursion appeared there?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-10-04 10:23:20 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
i'll explain this slowly, then, just for you, kittybear

every time you go to do a mission. it doesn't matter how many missions are being done, it doesn't matter how many missions you've done, it doesn't matter if you've just done a mission, you get a mission. there is no limit to the amount of missions that can be done in an hour save the number of pilots doing missions and how fast they do them. there is no limit to the number of pilots than can be sustained by a single agent.

when you go looking for a complex or anom. they only spawn a certain number after a certain amount of time after they're finished. the anoms/plex/rats are limited by the timer and the rng and only a certain amount can possibly be spawned in a day. there's a maximum number of pilots that can be sustained by anoms, belts or rats.


so your saying that they have ALL been completed and NEVER spawn anywhere anymore
because that's what LIMITED means

but that's not true is it. they will respawn again, and again, and again, and again, and again
that's what UNLIMITED means

ergo nulsec belt rats, and nulsec & fw complex's are unlimited



and you called me a dummy ?????
pot/kettle
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-10-04 11:43:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool



You think you can't get angel, gurista, sansha and whatnot with LP.....LOL


In hi-sec?

How?


Who said anything about hi sec Twisted
Velicitia
XS Tech
#48 - 2013-10-04 12:21:07 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Thanks for sharing that, Jenn, that is indeed interesting.

hmm...

I used to live close to Osmon......Guristas territory...

hmmm.... So the mission runners will most likely use shield tanked ships with the usual 2 kinetic/1 thermal hardener setup...

...

that would leave them at 0% EM resist....




.. don't mind me, just thinking aloud....


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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#49 - 2013-10-04 12:27:33 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool



You think you can't get angel, gurista, sansha and whatnot with LP.....LOL


erm, what?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-10-04 12:28:22 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny in an Incursion appeared there?


omg dude, you are evil. That would be hilarious.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#51 - 2013-10-04 12:29:03 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool



You think you can't get angel, gurista, sansha and whatnot with LP.....LOL


In hi-sec?

How?


Who said anything about hi sec Twisted


ok, then just WTF are you talking about then?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2013-10-04 12:36:04 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
..... At least until now lol.

New SOE ships coming you say, let's make them dirt cheap when they appear:

Osmon

NPC Kills - 4,515 (last hour) / 131,110 (Last 24 hours)

Betting SOE ships end up selling for 15, maybe 16 ISK per ship Cool



You think you can't get angel, gurista, sansha and whatnot with LP.....LOL


In hi-sec?

How?


Who said anything about hi sec Twisted


The post you replied to

"LOL"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#53 - 2013-10-04 12:39:56 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
i'll explain this slowly, then, just for you, kittybear

every time you go to do a mission. it doesn't matter how many missions are being done, it doesn't matter how many missions you've done, it doesn't matter if you've just done a mission, you get a mission. there is no limit to the amount of missions that can be done in an hour save the number of pilots doing missions and how fast they do them. there is no limit to the number of pilots than can be sustained by a single agent.

when you go looking for a complex or anom. they only spawn a certain number after a certain amount of time after they're finished. the anoms/plex/rats are limited by the timer and the rng and only a certain amount can possibly be spawned in a day. there's a maximum number of pilots that can be sustained by anoms, belts or rats.


so your saying that they have ALL been completed and NEVER spawn anywhere anymore
because that's what LIMITED means

but that's not true is it. they will respawn again, and again, and again, and again, and again
that's what UNLIMITED means

ergo nulsec belt rats, and nulsec & fw complex's are unlimited



and you called me a dummy ?????
pot/kettle


No, that's not what "limited" means.

If only 'n' plex spawn per day, then that's a limit in the most literal, accepted every day sense of the word. A limit of n per day.

It does mean that there's no upper limit on the accumulative number of drops, but there most definitely is a limit on the rate.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kurt Saken
Star Cluster Wanderer
#54 - 2013-10-04 13:52:34 UTC
We are fighting the good fight against Kruul.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-10-04 14:05:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

No, that's not what "limited" means.

If only 'n' plex spawn per day, then that's a limit in the most literal, accepted every day sense of the word. A limit of n per day.

It does mean that there's no upper limit on the accumulative number of drops, but there most definitely is a limit on the rate.

ok.

- 1 person can accept 1 mission at a time. This amount is limited by Eve Online population.
- 1 person can finish 1 mission in non-zero time. So rate of accepting new missions is limited by mission completion time.

Multiply of 2 limited values is limited.

Result: amount of missions given by 1 agent is limited.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-10-04 14:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Kitty Bear wrote:
so your saying that they have ALL been completed and NEVER spawn anywhere anymore
because that's what LIMITED means

but that's not true is it. they will respawn again, and again, and again, and again, and again
that's what UNLIMITED means

ergo nulsec belt rats, and nulsec & fw complex's are unlimited



and you called me a dummy ?????
pot/kettle

Then we would call everything unlimited in EVE except T2 BPOs, limited issue ships and the like.
The point is, belts and anoms are "limited" because their amount do not scale with number of people running them. There's so much ore, ISK and loot belt can generate per day, no matter how much people live in that system. Streams of ISK, LP and loot generated by agents, on the other hand, is limited only by amount of toons server node which has that system assigned to it can handle before crumbling into TiDi, traffic control and the like.

It's more about goods generation rate being limited or unlimited rather than absolute amount on infinite timeframe.

March rabbit wrote:
ok.

- 1 person can accept 1 mission at a time. This amount is limited by Eve Online population.
- 1 person can finish 1 mission in non-zero time. So rate of accepting new missions is limited by mission completion time.

Multiply of 2 limited values is limited.

Result: amount of missions given by 1 agent is limited.

And there I though we're talking about limitations that actually matter. If theoretically an agent output is limited only by amount of people that can milk it (and everyone in EVE can), then it could just as well be unlimited, it would make no difference.

Please, get down to Earth and start discussing practical matters rather than trying to impress everyone with your polemics skills.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-10-04 14:21:33 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

No, that's not what "limited" means.

If only 'n' plex spawn per day, then that's a limit in the most literal, accepted every day sense of the word. A limit of n per day.

It does mean that there's no upper limit on the accumulative number of drops, but there most definitely is a limit on the rate.

ok.

- 1 person can accept 1 mission at a time. This amount is limited by Eve Online population.
- 1 person can finish 1 mission in non-zero time. So rate of accepting new missions is limited by mission completion time.

Multiply of 2 limited values is limited.

Result: amount of missions given by 1 agent is limited.

the limit on the number of people who desire to pve anoms/missions is not relevant

neither is the number of anoms that could possibly be run by the time of the heat death of the universe, kittybear
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
#58 - 2013-10-04 14:31:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Yea, I propose CCP put some Angel agents in Empire, I could use a 100 mil isk Machariel or 12 lol.


Do you know the difference between a humanitarian organization and a drug cartel?

There is a reason there are Sisters of Eve and other "fringe" group missions in highsec - it's because they belong there. The angels really don't.

Amnesty International has offices in New York and London etc.

Mexican drug cartels don't.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-10-04 14:38:39 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Just another reason why unlimited of anything is bad. Ie unlimited missions from one agent.



but of course that wont apply to the unlimited nulsec belt rats, nul sec complexes, FW complexes, because they are 'special' cases right .......

all those examples are limited, dummy



Gotta love it when people make sarcastic statements about things they know nothing about Lol

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-10-04 14:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Imiarr Timshae wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Yea, I propose CCP put some Angel agents in Empire, I could use a 100 mil isk Machariel or 12 lol.


Do you know the difference between a humanitarian organization and a drug cartel?

There is a reason there are Sisters of Eve and other "fringe" group missions in highsec - it's because they belong there. The angels really don't.

Amnesty International has offices in New York and London etc.

Mexican drug cartels don't.


But...then why do all these other 'good people groups' (because they base in hi-sec - wait I guess that makes hisec mercs good people too! nice spinoff!) have inifinite troubles with infinite amounts of the 'bad guys who don't deserve to be there'?

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