Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They came first and got all the good stuff on em .

When I think about it and compare to other games even,pirate ships are much more marauders then marauders them self.

Pirate ships should be fast hard hitting platform with burst tank(local) just to keep me alive thru fight and they are ones that should have salvage gear on them to pillage and salvage loot not marauders it is all twisted around.

He'll if you follow lore marauders are one that are not build for pod pilots in the first place they are(should) be pure fleet vessels with buffer tanks that respond well to logistic capabilities of fleet formation with possible heavy e- war on board,they are empires most advanced battleship not pod pilot designed.

But when you work with leftover bonuses you get current marauders and not to mention that bastion module have absolutely no sense for role they should have,immobility is horrible feat and even worse butchering base hull to be forced to use it is even worse.imo.

Uhh, you do realize the very definition of a Marauder is to rove the land pillaging in search of loot, right?

Heh, really?



Yeah, so all this and the ability to MJD every minute is QUITE the nerf to the base hull.

It's amazing how many people have no idea what to do with the possibilities being able to rapidly MJD open up, especially for PVE, for both long and short range weapons systems on these particular hulls. That's not even taking into consideration the extra range from Bastion mode.

This thread is literally chock full of juicy quotes to bring up to embarrass people with this time next year.

Here's the base Bastion module and two example scripts that would fit this new value framework:

Base Statistics

• Occupies a turret/launcher hard point
• 10 CPU
• 100 PG
• Duration 60s
• Immobile while active
• One per ship
• Skill requirements: High Energy Physics (should change) & Energy Grid Upgrades 5

Weapon Stability Configuration (long range)

• 50% reduction of MJD spool up time
• +75mb Drone Bandwidth
• 25% increase of turret optimal and falloff range
• 15% increase to Cruise Missile and Rapid Heavy damage
• 25% increase to Cruise Missile and Rapid Heavy velocity
• 50% increase to Cruise Missile and Heavy Missile hitpoints
• 25% increase to maximum targeting range
• 100% increase to scan resolution
• Immune to Tracking Disruption, Sensor Dampening, Sensor Jamming, and targeted ECM
• 100% increase to optimal range of Remote Sensor Boosters and Target Painters

This script is designed to enhance a remotely deployed Marauder's ability to apply damage, avoid disruption, and provide spotting capabilities for fleet/gang members. This script does NOT negate incoming remote assistance. The MJD spool up time reduction allows more breathing room if an enemy gets too close.

The increase in range will roughly allow most weapons to use at least one tier better ammo, with some being able to jump two notches. This equates to roughly a 10-15% increase in damage application which negates a significant portion of the 20% dps loss from 1 less turret. The increase to drone bandwidth adds even more DPS potential through the possible addition of 3 sentry drones. The added missile velocity and hitpoints should help to minimize the reduction of damage due to defender missile use.

The targeting range expands the engagement envelope to include most ranges that would result from a MJD activation regardless of initial target distance. The bonus to scan resolution should allow the Marauder to quickly lock targets in response to priority changes.

The EWAR immunity in this version is selective to include only targeted effects that would otherwise reduce the Marauder's ability to project and apply it's damage. While the increased range on Remote Sensor Boosters and Target Painters provides Marauders a specialized role in targeting support.

The idea is to ensure that a Marauder under WSC will win any fight in which its enemy chooses to stay at range while remaining vulnerable to CQ encounters. WSC truly specializes the ship's role while limiting it's use outside the designed engagement envelope. While long range weapons are greatly enhanced, the use of this script with short range weapons fails to reach parity with the loss of an active turret/launcher. A wing of these ships would be quite effective as they could each fit remote assist modules and repair each other as well.

Area Denial Configuration (beachhead)

• 100% increase to local repair amount
• 30% increase to global resistances (non stacking)
• 25% reduction of incoming energy drain and neutralizer effectiveness
• 50% reduction of turret signature resolution
• 20% reduction of Torpedo explosion radius
• 20% increase to Torpedo explosion velocity
• Drone Bandwidth reduced to 0 (Deployed drones marked abandoned)
• Disrupts all remote assistance within 25km reducing effectiveness by 75%
• Increases optimal range of smart bombs by 50%
• Cannot be remote assisted

This script enables the Marauder to engage the enemy in close combat while disrupting their supply lines. It is designed to be the first ship into the breach opening up a path for more to follow.

The increase in local repair amount coupled with the increased resistances provide significant staying power. The ship would still be vulnerable to the application of heavy DPS or focused alpha strikes. It's ability to local repair would also be bolstered by the reduction of enemy cap warfare effectiveness.

The bastioned Marauder would be able to apply its damage very effectively even against smaller targets. The 50% reduction in turret signature resolution provides almost medium turret levels of tracking versus smaller targets, while the 20% bonuses to explosion velocity and radius do the same for torpedo platforms.

An ADC Marauder would be able to significantly disrupt an enemy's logistics once engaged. It would likely be unwise for an enemy to enter the 25km range unless it's willing to meet the Marauder on its terms. Marauders employing this script would most likely carry neutralizers or smart bombs in its utility highs under this model.

I had a re-think and did the numbers.


PvE the changes would make this ship unmatched and could tank a 10/10 plex without the risk of EWAR

In PvP its only limitation would be newt but that is easy to counter without the risk of EWAR. Gate camp god ship

If the original changes stand I will be stocking up as the possibilities are beyond reason.

This class ship is worth training and worth the price tag if the changes stand.

Please consider all my previous comments on the Marauder rebalance plans void.

Well aware of what a pirate is and what they do..
Notice I didn't say "Pirates don't do that"

However,
Marauders are "Marauders" as a class.

Pirate hulls are not "Pirate" class, but rather ships created by Pirate factions.

One is an actual class of ship.

The other is a name given to them to represent where they came from, not what they do.


Edit..

To further my point.
Saying Pirate ship is the equivilant of saying T2, t1, Navy, T3, ect.

It is not the same as saying Marauder, intercepter, interdictor..etc..etc..

Does the Bastion Module's optimal/fall offbuff stack?

18.82km + 57.6km with Null? I can't make the falloff number work even if the Bastion Module's optimal/falloff buff doesn't stack. And that's assuming the 57.6 falloff includes the 18.82 optimal (as per the UI change that includes optimal in the falloff number.) You sure the falloff isn't 51km? (18.8km + 32.2km) (And that's without bastion stacking.)

seriously, why does the paladin not get a tracking buff too? while i get you dont want three very similar ships, it seems like the vargur and kronos will simply out perform it.

not to mention that both the vargur and kronos get their damage buff at max from the start. the paladin has to train a month more to get it, minor point, but still annoying.

Id like to see these changes;

1. Change tractor beam bonus to either 50% to smart bomb cap use or a 100% bonus to Capacitor battery effects (the reflection on cap warfare)

2. T2 resists and drop the bastion bonus to resists across the board.
or
2. While in bastion mode Remote assistance is allowed however all effects are reduced by 50%

3. Loose 1 high slot for a mid slot or low slot depending on balance


Here's why i think the above

1. No other combat ship gets a cosy bonus to a purely PVE system (tractor beams) smart bombs are naturally used on the marauders and take up vital cap, so by taking that down it helps the cap stability.
1. Capacitor batteries are not widely used but they are a very good option, with this bonus if you were to fit one to your ship, you would have a 25% reduction to neuters and a 50% reduction to NOS while also getting 1400 extra cap in your pool

2. T2 resists are needed or this ship will never be used in a main fleet as it cannot match the tank of some T1 BS when outside of bastion. if CCP don't want to give that bonus to the ship then option 3 should be used, so that these ships can actually take part in a fleet and posses a role whilst in them

3. 3-4 utility highs depending on fit is just too much no other ship in the game has this and no ship needs this, 2-3 is fine, in order to fit tackle on the paladin and kronos your going to want an extra mid, the golem + vargur need a mid or low to help them with some fitting issue they both get.

With the right skills MJD cycle time is about the same as bastion mode.

I guess the plan is to jump, deploy, tank and shoot. undeploy jump again, redeploy, rince repeat.