Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Honestly, I don't see why we can't have both..
the ONLY reason for the hull nerfs, instead of hull buffs is specifically to force bastion and MJD onto Marauder Pilots.

While I love bastion for the tank and spank of PVE, i do NOT agree with the hull itself being nerfed.

It wasn't Necessary.

CCP could have left the hulls alone other than the needed buffs to make it valid.. Then, added a MWD bonus and possibly still retain the MJD bonus as you probably wouldn't be able to fit both at once.

The issue with the torp Golem isn't the Golem's fault, but rather the fault of torps.

I have said many times that while iteration 1 was way better, there was no purpose to hull nerfs other than forcing modules.

If CCP would have balanced the hulls the way I just suggested, then we'd have a decent hull that wouldn't help nor hender bastion.
The bastion module essentially changes the ships in a way that would suggest the nerfs to the hulls were unnecessary.



It does help them in pve.
With my Golem, i can drop a tank module to fit a MJD/MWD... That helps me doesn't it?
I might even be able to drop another tank Mod and fit another tp, or a web if I see fit, or whatever you think you might need.

You know, most people don't multibox multiple alts to run PvE with, which is the only way they could conceivably be worse.

What torp needs is an increased capacity for the launchers, they don't need a buff at all. We can't just buff cruise, then buff torps, then buff cruise.

If something gets overbuffed it should be nerfed back. Everything else shouldn't be buffed to catch up.

That would be fine with me. Something extra, and reduce the fitting costs, as they have the same backwards fitting that HAMS used to have.

Just a thought - was CCP's intention to provide a hi sec customs office eating machine since the capitals you mentioned would obviously not be allowed into hi sec?

POCO shooter, POS shooter, Miner2048er...


It's purpose is to serve as a warning to others in providing feedback...

If marauders have to be changed to one iteration or another, I would rather have the first. First iteration leaves ship bonuses that actually work together intact. That is the most important thing, a ship that feels and handles like it has a unity of purpose, rather than trying to shoehorn sniping bonuses and short-range web bonuses onto a single hull. Marauders would've needed web range bonuses like the Arazu has point bonuses if you wanted webs to be viable for a long-range ship (which is what the MJD bonuses told the players you were trying to do).

Still nitpicky about a couple things, but now that marauder hulls can keep their unity of purpose, I can do what EVE pilots do and adapt. Drone bay nerf for one seemed wholly unnecessary but I noticed with changes to drone aggro that happened when I was gone, I seldom use anything bigger than lights anyway--blap all frigates in room, deploy lights for supplemental dps and in the unlikely event something does aggro, they're fast enough to get back to drone bay. So will prolly keep around 7 lights (2 spares) with the balance salvage drones.

One big thing, however, and it is a big thing:

I've reacted to the propulsion nerf not by going from AB fit to MJD fit as you state clearly in the first post you would like to encourage, but rather going from AB fit to MWD fit. 100km all-or-nothing jumps is a no-go for hulls that work with 70km falloff (could use barrage ammo instead of RF fusion, i guess, but would lose selecting damage type vs. non-angels). And I don't want to re-visit math classes ten years ago forgotten to position my ship (yeah, I appreciate mechanics involving math like sig/speed tanking, angular velocity vs. tracking, etc. but I *WILL NOT* crack open a trig textbook just to get from Point A to Point B). MWD is enough to preserve acceptable mobility for my needs even after velocity nerf and "trading in" my AB for a MWD got me a MWD with a manageable instead of tank-busting cap penalty.

If you want to encourage MJD use on marauders, give marauders a role bonus that makes MJD distance at least semi-selectable.

Even a small handful of selectable jump distances (say 25, 50, 75, 100 km) would be acceptable to encourage MJD use.

Also with the addition of deployable tractor beam platforms (what is the range on those btw?), marauder role bonus to tractors is now WHOLLY redundant (unless maybe bonus applies to the deployable as well). Change tractor bonus to salvage bonus plz.

I threw out 25km increments for a reason. Lots of acceleration gates are in the ~25km range so a 25km MJ would be of use if you entered room, parked in bastion and shot it, then wanted to get near gate without cracking open trig book (assuming CCP listens to those who play the game for fun, not to relive boring high school trig classes).

Also dunno about the other three marauders as I fly Vargur, but 75km would be a pretty useful distance to MJ to as well when you need to blap a bunch of frigs within a larger mob. Enough range to frig blap at leisure (some missions with lots of frigs like Mordus Headhunters, 50km might be a bit too close), and by time you've gone through enough gun cycles to get all the frigs, the larger enemies are starting to trickle into your effective damage application range.

I know Iteration 1 of Bastion wants to turn 70km falloff into somewhere around 90 falloff, but still if you only need 75 km range to blap the frigs/kill higher dps rats before they get in range to effectively shoot back, why go out 100? That 25 km extra falloff is still an applied dps loss over what could be done, Bastion range bonus or not..

I'm not trying to say you're lazy, but you're lazy.

hey, for my level 5s I actually need the MJD to get the **** away from the scorching damage, don't touch that **** yo