Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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http://i.imgur.com/2ZZqsgg.png this is the theoretical fit. Adjust active tank by x2.5 (actually higher) and cap recharge by x1.333 to get the actual proposed values regarding bastioneffects. The vulnerabilty of guardians are both jams and scanres-damps. While that 'archon' doesn't compete with guardians fielding a 30man+ fleet (voiding the damp-argument), jams still hurt - though canceled by the bastion itself. Two Guards are reliably enough to tank a HAC-gang against an insane amount of incoming damage already, in this case, you had to bump a HAC off his marauder to kill it.

As someone mentioned capacitor warfare immunity, my trololol-alarms went off. Cause given people can't field 6-7 good dps-ships, they won't stand a chance downing that tank.

indeed niche is the whole point of T2 .... webs and T2 resists are OP on these and gives too many specialisations to these ships and web bonuses creates more conflicts with pirate ships.
less T2 resists on ships please ..
Also TP on golem is odd and should be removed for a explosion radius bonus instead it shouldn't have an e-war bonus that should only belong on minnie e-war ships

that's ******* stupid

you basically gave it the worst of both worlds and you can't even see what the hell is wrong with your idea?

In three weeks the best you could come up with is to revert to the first iteration. This is immensely disappointing.

All marauders really needed was an increase in fittings and sensor strength. None of this gimmicky bastion garbage, certainly not at the cost of drones and speed.

Could CCP update the original post to show the current proposed changes please. Or just have a new thread like one stated if a version is going live on test server. Either way, if having to choose between two or three variations of proposed changes; it would be nice to have all of them laid out in full detail in the same post for comparison. Just a suggestion.

Interesting update. I am not excited either way. I loath sit and shoot.

I think these proposed changes should have been released A LONG TIME AGO. This short release makes me think one of two things: you either made up your mind that these changes were going through (bastion module/mode) regardless of what your players think; or that you have spent VERY LITTLE time and resources on this change (kind of like one procrastinated and maybe marauders were the last on the list to try to squeeze in amidst the other changes for the winter expansion).

Not knowing if the intent was to make this class role sit and shoot and/or snipe makes me frustrated. If you want to have very specific roles for T2 battleships then do you plan on making a T2 variant of each races other battleship hull? This would make sense having 3 roles for the 3 different battleship T2 hull variations. Maybe less players would take offense to the specialization of the marauder's role if they knew there was another T2 battleship yet to come that could/would fit their play style.

I currently own 3 marauders and am actually decently happy with their current performance.

What really annoys me about these changes is that CCP is making one of the biggest mistakes a developer can make : if you want players to change their playstyle, you incentivise them to make the change. You don't push them to make the change by adding penalties to the current iteration that can only be removed by utilising the new modules.

For example, if you want to encourage MJD use with Marauders, then just add the MJD bonus as it is. Why nerf speed and mass? I don't see the point. All you manage to achieve is to make a subset of your players ***** and swear every time they are "forced" to MJD because you nerfed their speed. If they are still not using MJD with the bonus, then it obviously means that the MJD gimmick is not worth using because it's too much trouble. You could further ENCOURAGE people to use MJD if you really want them to by making a range-selectable MJD that can only be used on Marauders (like Covert Ops cloaks). This idea has already been proposed by many, and will get you the same effect of people using MJD on Marauders without pissing people off.

Likewise with Bastion, it was aggravating that the local rep bonus was removed to push people to use Bastion. If you do that, then everytime people go into Bastion they won't be thinking "wow this is cool". They will be thinking "dammit now I'm forced to be stationary to tank the same as I could before". For those people who think T2 resists will help, take a look at the Paladin. Paladin often fights NPCs which do EM/Thermal, since you know it's a laser boat. And the T2 resists have the exact same armor EM/Thermal resist as the live version... If the concern is that local repping is OP in Bastion, then the obvious response is to tune the repping bonus in Bastion.

I'm happy to hear that the dev team has listened to some feedback and gone back to Iteration 1. But I would hope that you keep this in mind when you consider further changes. Don't go the route of F2P developers who first burden you with limited bag space, then provide you with "bag upgrades" to remedy the situation. In the same way, don't nerf the hull to uselessness just to push people to MJD/Bastion/whatever other stuff you come up with. The new features should be attractive by themselves, otherwise they should not be implemented.

the use i was seing for the hull resistance was for when reloading your aar or asb, at that point you usually start to bleed into hull. so for me the 78% vrs 60% could mean getting that extra reload.

i will admit that the reduced tech II resist profile while using the bastion mod is not as good as the proposed 30% all round while in bastion mode. but it does do one key thing and that is increased resistances outside of bastion mode. to which i think would add to utility and give you more options on how to pilot the ship.

moreover if bringing the shield and armor resist bonus to 0% on the bastion is too much you could always give it the same bonus for a DCU II. that would balance out the missing resist from the reduced Tech II profile.

so now the bastion module would do:
12.5% to shield resistance
15% to armor resistance
30% to hull resistance

Weren't they made for PvE? In my mind while this doesn't give it as a handout this actually dues increase their capacity in that regard through some creative means. I suppose we could tun them into navy BS's with rep bonuses and less ammo consumption, but that sounds boring IMHO.