Player Features and Ideas Discussion

/agreed

Though I'm not sure how many players would use it on a Golem.



One major issue I have though is that without the resistance buff that bastion iteration 1 gave, there's not a whole lot of reasoning behind the bastion module.

CCP could just take the current iteration hull, and cook the ewar immunity and rep boost bonus into the hull.
I don't think the range bonus of bastion is at all worth immobility, as anyone who has flown a Marauder already has a setup that works without the range bonus.

The nerfs to the base hull is already enough balance to allow the immunity and rep bonus to be applied directly to the hull.

So, it would look more like

Golem

Role bonuse
100% bonus to missile damage
Immune to ewar
Shield boost amount increase by X%

Then blah blah blah on the Marauder and Caldari BS bonuses...


With the proposed hull nerfs it would work well, as they would already be extremely slow, not have much HP, less cap, slower align, and whatever else CCP nerfed.



I'm not saying this is the right thing to do, I'm just saying without resist buff in bastion, there's not a lot of point to bastion when the bonuses left for bastion that are worth anything can be attached directly to the hull and still wouldn't make it OP.

Extremely powerful, but not OP.

You could even kill off the MJD bonus with this design, but again, I would rather them work something else out.

I keep seeing people post EFT numbers on repair potential with and without bastion that are simply created in a vacuum. They simulate maximum numbers with billions of ISK in modules, implants, and pills. You'll also notice that those posts don't include running time at those numbers, DPS potential, or any other pertinent information about how that ship would operate on the field.

It simply doesn't provide any real benefit to this discussion as these would be considered fail-fits when viewed holistically. Regardless of the maximum repair potential these ships are tens of thousands of EHP short of their T1/faction/pirate battleship cousins and will quite easily be F1'd off the field in even moderate size engagements.

I do find the remote repair platform version of the Paladin posted above interesting. However, even if it did rep the same amount as 2 guardians, at what range would it do so? Also, the benefit of 2 guardians is that you only loose half your gang/fleets repair potential if you lose one of them. You can also field 2 guardians for much cheaper and the two together would have significantly more EHP between the two of them.

I'm all for collecting information about what these hulls are capable of using the current iteration numbers. However, I think we need to ensure that those numbers are representative of real-world viable fits. Otherwise all we are doing is providing a skewed picture to the devs and community that will ultimately ensure the Marauder class is subpar compared to anything else.

Imma say +2 lows on the vargur. Mainly because if it is losing it sb bonus it is likely going to need 4 slots to do a proper shield tank well outside of bastion, which means dropping a tc. It would also allow it to roll similar dps on an armor tank, and have a 1 mid slot adv over the mach

Here's a few things that everyone seems to have a consensus on:

1. The introduction of the mobile 'loot' structure with Rubicon has killed the Marauder as an active salvage platform (dead, dead, dead), so tractor-based bonuses are completely redundant.
2. Four high utility slots is just insane. Marauders should receive a mid slot instead and, ideally - exchange another high slot for a low (two utility slots are still plenty, especially considering the above).
3. T2 resists and the proposed tweaks to the specifications for the ships are fine, provided they retain the original shield boost and armor repair bonus.
4. The MJD bonuses allow for some interesting long-range applications.
5. Bastion and the animation is a COOL concept, but it's a mixed bag of snakes at this point (and we won't even touch on the stasis webs).

Here's a revised Bastion concept. Bastion becomes a Marauder skill-based feature, with a duration of 30-150 seconds (depending on level). The following only apply when activated:

EWAR immunity

Heat absorption ... +20% heat per level

Stasis web ... +7.5% velocity per level

Weapon Rate of fire ... +5% per level (pulse lasers, blasters, torpedoes and autocannons only)

Ship Velocity and Agility ... +5% per level (each)

As Bastion no longer renders a ship immobile, it has the following drawbacks:

Fixed 5 minute cool down

25% capacitor module increase (reduced by 5% per level)

50% targeting range reduction (reduced by 5% per level)

What we effectively end up with is the improved MJD allowing Marauders to setup for long-range and Bastion becomes the perfect component for all short-range engagements. And the previous Marauder bonuses now make a lot more sense. In fact, with some slot reassignment (discussed in previous posts) short-range fits might not even opt for MJD - which yields an extra slot or two to run stasis webs, sensor boosters, etc.

^^ Too funny.

finally common sense has prevailed ... at least for now

Tyvm for the update

now how about removing the TP bonus from the golem?
the others don't have a TC bonus after-all forcing golems to give up a mid slot is unfair and odd... it's not an e-war ship so why have it?

Lol..what, you ppl are meh.