EVE General Discussion

It is my hope that CCP will cease with the random rushing of new events/features/policy and always at least give the CSM some opportunity for feedback. Both of these most recent events could have been avoided if this was the operating process. While it may add some slight delays it is worth it.

We all want the best sandbox we can get. We don't want to be big fish in a little pond when we can be sharks in an ocean. The rabble rousing nature of these recent moves do not encourage new subs. Lets keep the growth but not making mistakes that only serve to rile up the playerbase needlessly.

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It's astonishing how CCP Pokethulu manages to completely ignore most of the specific points that were risen whilst only vaguely touching subjects 2 and 4 without even hinting at any intention do mitigate the damage that has been done.

This is about as close to 'the logs show nothing' as it can get.

Whilst I consider it troublesome that CCP directly supports an ingame entity that purely works for its own profit and has often been suspected to have been abused for RMT laundering in the past, the reintroduction of extinct ships is the most concerning issue for me.

It's next to impossible to tell what people do for their own profit or for the benefit of the game as a whole.

I highly doubt that e.g. evekill is here due to it's creators benevolence but because of banner income and of course they should receive that, but at least using evekill doesn't require separate registration on a profit-oriented third party gambling website.

As for direct support, I think community spotlights are the furthest CCP should go to maintain strict neutrality and stop mingling with the economic balance between entities that may or may not be more or less directly involved in Eves political equilibrium.

And here I thought CCP learned from T20. Now it's not a single dev commiting favouritism under disguise but CCP as a company and fully openly (without consulting with the CSM first).

Offering direct dev help to improve technical aspects of third party services and thus helping them to improve the overall experience for everyone? Yes - by all means, but ingame gifts should be out of the question.

Not for BoB, not for Goons, not for RvB, Eve-Uni, BNI or the Angel Project - and absolutely not for Somer Blink.

It seems that the CSM has voiced the concerns that I personally had regarding the Somer Blink promotion, and CCP *seems* to be taking them on board and doing something about it. I feel much more comfortable about the whole situation now.

Now, if only CCP could check with the CSM *first* everything would be peachy. :P

So CCP says that ALL 3rd party sites will benefit from their largesse.
I strongly doubt that.

And as for creating some kind of selection process, that means that CCP is exercising favouritism, as soon as one 3rd party group is selected over another, even though they both meet whatever criteria CCP establishes.

It appears that CCP's actions are favoritism. However, we don't know the relationship that have been developed between CCP and Somer. This may indeed be a business relationship in much the same way of any business relationship. The difference here is that Somer is also an in-game entity and can wield their relationship with CCP to the detriment of the game.

This is where I am concerned most. I believe CCP hasn't adequately addressed this issue. I'm of the opinion that Somer should have restrictions placed on it self in much the same way that CCP Devs are restricted in game with their player toon, the two being complete compartmentalized with strict rules of behavior. This is what I'd like to see developed in a transparent manner with any business that also operate in game.

So far I've seen nothing to this effect.

Hard to believe CCP could top ToSgate, at least so soon.

I imagine CCP is kinda confused as this isn't the first time they've given prizes to Somer to give away. For Somer's one quadrillion celebration CCP gave them 4 Collectors Editions and some Ishukone Watch Scorpions to give away using this same giveaway mechanic and nobody seemed to care about it then. Is it the large in-game value that makes this different?

When we have been consulted on stuff that will **** off the players and change the nature of the game, to use your wording, it usually changes or dies on the vine. Those ideas never make it out of skype, internal forums, and the summits, and so the players never even see them to get pissed off. It's quite nice that Trebor posted his letter and CCP Pokecthulu's response here, because it's a chance for the community to see what our process usually looks like when we disagree with CCP actions, although obviously the writing is a bit more formal than normal.

Yes I anxiously await CCP favoring minerbumping.com with a community spotlight blog and trillions of isk.