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CSM Statement on the SOMER Promotion (with reply from CCP Pokethulu)

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-09-28 17:29:26 UTC
CSM8: "We weren't told, but that's okay. Let's just say things everyone else has already said and hope CCP will listen."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2013-09-28 17:39:14 UTC
CCP wrote:
We don't have the balls to turn over a **** decision we made because it would upset SOMER who makes us money via his RMT scheme but rest assure that we will look over the event and build a policy for the next time it will happen.


Most likely INB4 deleted post or ban.
Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-09-28 17:39:37 UTC
Where was all these extra prizes during Fanfest?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2013-09-28 17:56:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CSM8: "We weren't told, but that's okay. Let's just say things everyone else has already said and hope CCP will listen."

you mean

and hope we won't be called out by the players, like some of the people who defended the tos non-change change

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jwingender
Tar Valon Research and Development
#65 - 2013-09-28 18:11:44 UTC
I'm just curious why they think they HAVE to re-release the unique ships (Gold magnate and Guardian Vexor) and not just make up some ships for this promotion. I would imagine a good portion of the rage over this is because they are re-releasing ships that should NEVER be released agian.
X

Is it really this hard to grab the skin of a ship already in-game, make up some new better stats/change the paint color, and then use this new ship with ALL these stupid 3rd party giveaways. Done.
Twisted
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2013-09-28 18:14:55 UTC
jwingender wrote:
I'm just curious why they think they HAVE to re-release the unique ships (Gold magnate and Guardian Vexor) and not just make up some ships for this promotion. I would imagine a good portion of the rage over this is because they are re-releasing ships that should NEVER be released agian.
X

Is it really this hard to grab the skin of a ship already in-game, make up some new better stats/change the paint color, and then use this new ship with ALL these stupid 3rd party giveaways. Done.
Twisted


How hard is it to actually read the OP to realise the ships were already changed?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-09-28 18:23:21 UTC
Or how about CCP take back what it gave and promise not to do **** like this again?

NO WHY WOULD WE EVER DO THAT.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Prince Kobol
#68 - 2013-09-28 18:26:40 UTC
Reyna Snoo wrote:
I imagine CCP is kinda confused as this isn't the first time they've given prizes to Somer to give away. For Somer's one quadrillion celebration CCP gave them 4 Collectors Editions and some Ishukone Watch Scorpions to give away using this same giveaway mechanic and nobody seemed to care about it then. Is it the large in-game value that makes this different?


Simply.. the goons didn't care :)

The only reason there has been such a storm is because the goons didn't like it this time round.
Herr Kutz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2013-09-28 18:44:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Kutz
This is a pile of bull stirred up by a whiny bunch of self-important, overly entitled people crying that they weren't clever enough to make stupid amounts of isk.

If it was anything else, this would've come up during the Somer Blink 1Q celebration, which was publicized widely and showed on the front page that CCP had given prizes to Somer.

It didn't, so stop trying to make this something it isn't. In other words, STFU, wind your collective necks in , stop crying.

As I said in a post on TMC, this is really about the "change" to the ToS meaning that a certain selection of people are no longer allowed to scam in the way they previously thought they were.

Eve is a game of ingenuity. Try using your brains and coming up with something clever, special or unique to make isk.



Oh and just a point regarding trust:

Most of the whining is from a certain select group, let's call them "Scamming little b's" who are trying to cause trouble for CCP because they aren't allowed to scam in the way they used to.

Many of those are pointing to a well known website named after it's founder and shouting that it should also be given *things* to give out.

If you want CCP to trust you enough to believe you will give out prizes they donate, then don't build your bed from lies, cheating, exploiting and more lies.





Edit: Just for the record, I think reintroducing the Gold Magnate & G-Vex was a massive mistake and I'm pleased that CCP has changed the prizes. THAT is the only problem that this whole thing. The rest is just crying.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#70 - 2013-09-28 18:44:53 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

However, the requirement that one must be a member of SOMER Blink in order to participate remains, and for a lottery with such significant prizes, is very troubling to us.

This is my main concern with this event.

Remove standings and insurance.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-09-28 18:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
I appreciate the effort, CSM.

Looking at the SOMERBlink website, I can see it has that Las Vegas gambling feeling, which is probably one of the reasons for CCP to try this stunt. I am just puzzled how the excuse can be 'rush'; it is not like Eve Vegas came unexpected. And writing the policy AFTER committing to an event is... well, boggling.

Anyhow, I have been to Las Vegas, visited the casinos and did not play a dollar. I am confused on how I can participate in the drawing for these ships/fanfest tickets, without participating in other gambling that I have no interest in.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-09-28 18:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Warbird
Chitsa Jason wrote:
First :)

I see now how much thought has been put into this post. -facepalm-
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#73 - 2013-09-28 18:55:13 UTC
Quote:
and we are certainly learning from it now.


The last two to three years: http://i.imgflip.com/59qi.jpg

If your behaviour hasn't changed, you haven't learned a thing.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-09-28 18:56:31 UTC
Herr Kutz wrote:
Eve is a game of ingenuity. Try using your brains and coming up with something clever, special or unique to make isk.

Or you could just be favored by CCP and handed free stuff on a platter.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Kuni Oichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-09-28 18:57:56 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Reyna Snoo wrote:
I imagine CCP is kinda confused as this isn't the first time they've given prizes to Somer to give away. For Somer's one quadrillion celebration CCP gave them 4 Collectors Editions and some Ishukone Watch Scorpions to give away using this same giveaway mechanic and nobody seemed to care about it then. Is it the large in-game value that makes this different?


Simply.. the goons didn't care :)

The only reason there has been such a storm is because the goons didn't like it this time round.


So you're saying that we do a better job of raising awareness of concerning issues to the rest of the playerbase than anyone else?

Thanks for the compliment, it's nice to know our efforts are so appreciated.
Herr Kutz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2013-09-28 18:59:43 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

However, the requirement that one must be a member of SOMER Blink in order to participate remains, and for a lottery with such significant prizes, is very troubling to us.

This is my main concern with this event.



The event (Eve Vegas - remember, or have you all forgotten in your rage?) is sponsored by SOMER Blink and is open to all.

CCP have given SOMER Blink some prizes (the originals of which were clearly a massive mistake) to support and promote that event.

The only thing I hope for from this is that other equally deserving sites are rewarded for their efforts in the same way.
Herr Kutz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-09-28 19:04:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Herr Kutz wrote:
Eve is a game of ingenuity. Try using your brains and coming up with something clever, special or unique to make isk.

Or you could just be favored by CCP for sponsoring a massive player event and handed free stuff on a platter to give out to players regardless of which corp/alliance/Coalition they're in.


FTFY
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-09-28 19:25:25 UTC
wrote:
]That said, we recognize it is imperative for CCP to remain impartial with respect to which 3rd parties receive CCP support for these kinds of activities. To that end, we will develop a clear policy on how we plan to conduct future events, including how we will determine which 3rd parties and which events will receive CCP support, and we will develop that policy in consultation with the CSM.


Good to see that CCP will 'remain impartial' in regards to their new policy of arbitrarily picking the winners and losers in Eve from now on.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#79 - 2013-09-28 19:28:16 UTC
Herr Kutz wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

However, the requirement that one must be a member of SOMER Blink in order to participate remains, and for a lottery with such significant prizes, is very troubling to us.

This is my main concern with this event.



The event (Eve Vegas - remember, or have you all forgotten in your rage?) is sponsored by SOMER Blink and is open to all.

CCP have given SOMER Blink some prizes (the originals of which were clearly a massive mistake) to support and promote that event.

The only thing I hope for from this is that other equally deserving sites are rewarded for their efforts in the same way.


Brilliant. if you ***k up, but then do it regulary then its okay???

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-09-28 19:34:40 UTC
Also when can we expect a statement apologising for the way CCP T20 was treated by the company and the return of Evolution's Sabre BPO, since his historical actions in respect of spawning valuable assets to favour one player entity over another have now been adopted as official CCP policy.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.