Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thanks for the reply. And like Nikk going to offer a suggestion for when you have a cloaky camper in your system. Its free advice, not meant to tell you what to do or the like. Just something to consider.

Instead of parking that fleet near you while you PvE why not do it as a group? Such as running anomalies with that fleet. Yes, you'll get less isk/anomaly, but you'll probably run them faster. You might still make less isk/hour too, but hey at least yo are making isk/hour. And maybe you'll have fun BSing with the guys on TS or Mumble and basically be giving the big finger to that guy cloaked up.

He might even see you guys as being a poor target to camp and hope for the periodic kill and move on. At which point you guys declare victory and break out the min-maxed PvE ships and make even more isk.

Just a suggestion. Not telling you how to play the game though.

And of course, I prefer a longer term solution that removes AFK cloaking and decouples intel from Local.

Wait, what?

NightmareX, you may feel obliged to speak for "threatened" players interested in PvE, but you do not speak for all of them by far.

I myself am a miner, normally in null, and quite frankly I am more often bored to tears than otherwise.
Please skip the comments about finding other pursuits, I take credit for having thoroughly investigated those too.

Mining, as well as other null PvE interests, has been dumbed down. Maybe people were concerned with solo playability, maybe it was simply an unforeseen chain of events, but PvE in null is about the safest in the game.

In no other part of the game, am I able to so effectively avoid combat while earning ISK. I would love to give my alliance credit here, and say they did it all, but other groups also reap the same benefit.
It's a game mechanic.

No matter how hard my alliance works, after a certain point it achieves diminishing returns because local intel won't let it go past a certain point. We can stick a POS at every moon, and shuffle assets cunningly between them, and yet a hostile can pop in, glance at local, and instantly know how many of us are present.
THAT holds us down in PvE performance.

We can set up systems for mining and ratting, and arrange pipelines to travel efficiently with no warning. And yet, a hostile casually strolling through can note our strength in each system they pass through, with no effort.
THAT holds us down in PvE performance.

We can dock up in an Outpost, paid for by hours of effort by our stunning PvP crew, and wait for a scout ship to pass by.
And yet, it can report all our presence in that system, docked up and otherwise, as if we somehow volunteered this sensitive information.
THAT holds us down in PvE performance.

Our problem isn't the cloaked dude in a cyno boat. He couldn't find us with two hunting dogs and a map. Our problem is local telling him exactly which system we are in, like some divine oracle of knowledge. And add to that the stinking map that reports activity in one hour increments.
This intel tool is not our friend.

We have an intel channel, we earned it. We reported sightings into it.
We are pretty sure noone is reporting our locations to the hostile, except for local.

This thing does nothing more than encourage stalemate conditions.
Anyone remember the last time they actually chatted in local to another player in null? ON PURPOSE?

You apparently want the cloaker to know all of our locations.
You apparently don't want us capable of evading the cloaker, short of actually logging out entirely. He may not be able to get to us behind shields or docked, but neither can we fool him or frustrate him with uncertainty.

Why are you helping hostiles in our sov systems, by giving him this intel?

We can cover ourselves quite well, thank you very much, between intel channels and coordination.
But all of our preparation is diminished if a hostile can simply log in, and know at a glance whether he is in a good hunting system, or should move on.
Why are we making his game easier like this?

The token ability to evade him only creates a stalemate. We could get this intel easily without local's help, but he CAN'T.
He knows from local we are in system, or are active there. That map only gave him a general idea, local is what confirmed it and gave him live intel.

Pfffft. Just get rid of cloaks.

You want to hang out and grief, you better be able to back it up. No more hiding.

Just put out some news story about advances in scanner technology, etc, and make it so everyone can see cloaked ships on their overview and scanner.

Maybe give covops frigates (not bombers or recons) a free pass, since they're so weak combat wise.

Then, of course, rebalance and repurpose the ruined ships.

Of course, all the guys with cloaky alts who like to sit afk in a system full of miners for 14 hours straight because they just enjoy causing grief to other players will go apeshit. Who cares.

Seriously, yes, you can sit there for hours and then finally come back from afk after the locals have gotten complacent about your presence and get a kill, but that's really just a bullshit justification for ruining someone else's day with way too little risk to yourself.

You can get a lot more kills by just roaming, anyway. If you're an even halfway decent pvp'er.

You are being creative, which I appreciate here.

Auto logoff: Not really a fix. The only thing it solves is long term cloaked presence with no key presses.
If this reduces risk by removing uncertainty, our rewards get nerfed to compensate.
If players bypass it, then meta gaming reaches new levels, and PvE players like me regret it.

Mutual exclusive cloak & cyno gens, I appreciate the intent, but if local isn't forcing the hot drop to prevent my being warned, it won't happen on grid to me anyways.

Anonymous red word disconnect on local pilot listing: Yeah... at least hostile pilots will be more likely to risk their mains, but many alliances policies about staying docked will still exist. Those policies may deny kills, but they enable resource denial in exchange. All because it looks good on an excel doc for someone who doesn't worry about PvE play quality.

The sov based intel I actually like, but it has to have pieces on the field. If you have your intel at risk to hacking or destruction, it can balance out much better, and that means better rewards possible for operating in null.

Titans and blops being able to bridge behind shields is ridiculous, kill that ASAP.

Cyno mass limits? This needs work, but it DOES have potential. For example, what if a ship could not open a cyno except for other ships it's own size or smaller?
(bridging limit only, self jumping ships should be exempt)

Not so sure the POS at a gate, unless local goes poof. It might still be unworkable, and if it cannot be bypassed it is DOA when local broadcasts the new arrivals from another gate. Everyone jumps behind a shield, combat avoided too easily.

If the cloak is not freely displayed in local, hunting it becomes balanced.

If you CAN detect the cloaked vessel through effort, the effort becomes required.

Potentially hundreds of hostiles stopped by one clever pilot with a scanner.
PvE wins again

I'm already on record, multiple times, for preferring 4.

As for bridging and shields, I'd consider it. Not sure about the 2-way WH aspect though.

I think there are mass limits already for bridging, well at least implicit ones imposed by fuel requirements. I think the bigger the sig radius the more LO is used (e.g. try jumping through with your MWD on). At least that has been an issue with some BLOPs bridges I've tried to take. :P

Hmmm...not a fan of the POS on gates. Seems like it would make Sov warfare more of a PITA than it already is.

Proceed. I have many many systems to choose from and a lot of them I have duplicate gear sets already in position for me and my alts. Trust me, you'll get bored well before I do.

Ahh the true motive of the AFK cyno camper comes out... the problem with this tactic of yours, is that we just switch to high sec alts, go on Active Roams or Jump in on CTA's, Alliance fleets, etc when this occurs....

This is not my main, so you can come and camp my high sec alt.

Ok, i'm just gonna let...........