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Perfect ME/PE Calc
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Randey Miromme
My Wormhole Hurts
#1 - 2013-09-11 16:44:24 UTC
I'm using the BPO Calc to get perfect ME/PE and still don't understand what I'm looking at. Can someone please look at the Magnate and tel me (according to the tool) is the best ME/PE. Thanks in advance for not putting up a wall of text with all the math.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-11 16:46:25 UTC
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/0/29248/0/5/0/5
"A no waste ME is: 2491"

Not that anyone would research one to 2491... Play with the ME slider and see what waste as acceptable for what research time
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#3 - 2013-09-11 17:35:09 UTC
in my experience ME 10 is optimal for almost everything the exception being caps and the cap parts
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#4 - 2013-09-11 17:48:49 UTC
Every time you double the ME, you halve the waste.

ME 1 halves the base waste.
3 quarters it.
7 eighths it.
15 sixteenths it.

And so on.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2013-09-11 18:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Perfect M.E. = FLOOR(largest non-extra material count at M.E. 0 / ((1 + Waste at M.E. 0) / (2 * Waste at M.E. 0)))

It is easier to remember the divisor constant for 5% and 10% base waste BPO:
Perfect M.E. on a BPO with 10% waste at M.E. 0 = FLOOR(Largest non-extra material count at M.E. 0 / 5.5)
Perfect M.E. on a BPO with 5% waste at M.E. 0 = FLOOR(Largest non-extra material count at M.E. 0 / 10.5)

FLOOR() means drop the decimal part, don't round!

I consider M.E. 20 fine for nearly everything, but use perfect for all charges. I recommend limiting research to no more than a month. Be aware that low material count BPO like small rigs are often perfect without any research.

Typically one only tries for 0 waste on Isogen or higher, and sometimes Mexallon. Trying to get 0 waste on Tritanium is usually pointless.

Example: M.E. for 0 wasted Mexallon on a BPO with 10% waste at M.E. 0 = FLOOR(Non-extra Mexallon at M.E. 0 / 5.5)

Formula for calculating perfect ME/PE? (see post #18 if it doesn't auto-scroll)
Allison A'vani
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-09-12 04:26:59 UTC
I usually use 1% waste or less BPOs which can equate to 150 to 200ME depending on the BPO, with mod BPOs this usually is 10d or less with good skills and a POS lab.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2013-09-12 12:53:46 UTC
Allison A'vani wrote:
I usually use 1% waste or less BPOs which can equate to 150 to 200ME depending on the BPO, with mod BPOs this usually is 10d or less with good skills and a POS lab.

Check your math.

The M.E. 20 I recommend is less than 0.5% waste on a 10% base waste BPO (the majority of all BPO).

10% base waste / (1 + M.E. 20) = 0.4761% effective waste
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#8 - 2013-09-20 20:28:59 UTC
As a rough rule of thumb - divide the mineral / component cost you want to get to zero by 5 and round up - thats your ME number. Ignore any "extra materials" which were added in recent and not so recent rebalances, ME does not affect that at all.

So getting "zero waste" on tritanium is pretty hard, however, getting zero waste on nocx or zyd is quite manageable on some prints. As pointed out above around 20 is already pretty decent on most prints. Although if you are in a hurry even ME 3 is already pretty decent usually.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2013-09-22 03:44:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Carniflex wrote:
As a rough rule of thumb - divide the mineral / component cost you want to get to zero by 5 and round up - thats your ME number. Ignore any "extra materials" which were added in recent and not so recent rebalances, ME does not affect that at all.

That only works if you use base material values, i.e. no waste included, and don't round. This is typical of numbers from a database dump.

If you look at a BPO in-game, you'll want to use the numbers & formula I posted above.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#10 - 2013-09-26 14:26:35 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:


Not that anyone would research one to 2491...


Challenge accepted.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-09-26 14:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:


Not that anyone would research one to 2491...


Challenge accepted.


Cool, I look forward to seeing the researched BPO sometime in early 2019 (about 5.3 years worth of research, assuming in a POS and with metallurgy 5)
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#12 - 2013-09-27 14:47:46 UTC
I might be able to start you off with an ME 300 or so frigate BPO, not sure I have a Magnate though.

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Robby Altair
#13 - 2013-10-01 18:00:24 UTC
Just another BPO calculator.

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