Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm fine about arguing stuff, but the way he implied not be able do all level 4s with pulse tank 700dps while sitting @ 0m/s is "incompetent" or "idiot" is not fair. Well it was his proposal. I'll wait for the videos.

If that's your actual fit, then you have a lot more to worry about than dps and tank...
I would be watching your back for fleets of 15 tornados that still cost way less than that fit.
I would gladly trade less dps for that expensive of a fit.

Hell, you've got over 2 bil isk on that just in medium shield booster, let alone officer mods...

Better yet, who overloads when their ship and fit worth over 10 billion (probably) relies on those modules working...
I wouldn't risk flying that expensive of a ship, and I sure as hell wouldn't risk overloading anything on it.

I would stay aligned, with an MJD and be ready to GTFO in a moments notice... Even if I was running a lvl 1 mission, lol

Eve-Central says it's worth approximately $12.6 billion. That's one hell of a shiny loot pinata. I suggest you don't undock anytime soon. And, assuming your character 'NiteNinja' is flying that ship, unless you designed that character from day one to fly the Golem, I would guess the character needs more skills trained before flying that shiny of a ship.

But ConranAntoni IT"S SO SHINY.

Very true. To all you people who keep going on about how Marauder supposedly means the ability to fly around really fast, just buy a Machariel for gods sake.

TBH, they want even more than this.
They want Marauder tank, pirate dps, pirate mobility,pirate utility bonuses, bastion bonuses, and Marauder utility highs..

Basically, they want an extremely OP ship that should never exist in game.

The iteration 1 bonuses to bastion were amazing, and didn't really effect non-bastion mode, except for the nerfs that were given to the hull iteself, such as mobility, however, those nerfs need to be reverted and sensor strength buffed slightly to keep them weak, but stronger than they are now.
With iteration 1, the negatives were well worth the benefits, and if you do like I just suggested with the base hull, then they could still be niche in pvp, but more niche than just bastion provides, while still giving bastion certain pvp situations where it would perform better than the base hull.
It would also allow for those who don't like pve with the bastion to still perform the same they do now, but with better sensor strength.

Iteration 1 gave player more reason to accept the immobility penalty, while iteration 2 on gives you ewar immunity.
With iteration one, at least marauders were usable even with the nerfs, but with iteration 2 marauders aren't usable in or out of bastion due to the hull nerfs.

So basically, revert nerfs to hull, add sensor strength, and revert back to iteration one.
Also, possibly remove the 8th high and put it somewhere else, because 4 utility highs in pvp without the bastion module is extremely powerful and should not be allowed.
All this means to pve player is that you give up a salvager for bastion, which in my mind is a fair trade.

Why not just use the more heavily armored looking version of the model as the standard model, where they function much like a T1 BS but with T2 resists. Then instead of going into bastion mode they go into marauder mode, where they have the MJD bonus, and also an AB speed bonus, and MWD cap bonus, but the T2 resists drop to T1 resists. Maybe also a fitting reduction for MJD, MWD, and AB and an extra mid slot so that dual prop is common. Then you have a marauder that marauds.

Basically a ship that functions like a T1 BS with T2 resists, OR a T1 BS that is highly mobile. But not both at the same time.

I've gone back a forth with it...
I was a proponent for t2 resists over rep bonus back in the day, but that was before iteration one came around.
And to admit, I didn't truly understand how t2 resists worked.
I didn't realize that it does nothing to help you resist hole.

That said though, I think iteration1 is the way to go, BUT, without nerfing the hulls AT ALL!!!
In fact, I still propose a little sensor buff to the base hulls.

If CCP feels that rep + bastion rep is too OP, they could simply make bastion 63.5% bonus instead of 100%.
This would allow us to keep rep bonus out of bastion, and not have such a powerful bastion rep.

Alternately ( and probably more preferred by myself) is to wrap the 30% non-stacking resists into the hulls themselves, and remove the rep bonus entirely from the hull.
I feel this would make them much better in both pve and pvp.

Same here, but I think the lack of any additional updates is probably a clear indication that Iteration 2 is probably very close to what we'll end up with (if not exactly). I'd wager that Bastion and the new animations are set in stone, and since these are T2 ships T2 resists are probably a foregone conclusion at this point. So we pickup the T2 resists, a rapid MJD and a boost to webalizers for short-range setups on the base Marauder. And when in Bastion mode, EM immunity, a +266% shield and armor boost (which is even more when you factor in the resists) and improved weapons range. Not really seeing any downside here over the current Marauders, to be honest. With the T2 resists I actually think we'll net an additional medium or low slot (over and above one required for the MJD) just because we can probably get away with a single adaptive shield invulnerability or energized adaptive armor.

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