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2 x SP rate with Plex instead of second character training.
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Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#21 - 2013-09-25 13:24:59 UTC
Nah left just allow everyone to have unlimited skill points for a few plex....

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Anthar Thebess
#22 - 2013-09-25 13:33:21 UTC
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#23 - 2013-09-25 14:03:44 UTC
No.

For the hard of thinking thats:

HELL NO!

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#24 - 2013-09-25 14:39:37 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Arya Regnar wrote:
No.

Character training is fine as it is.

Now stop dreaming and wake up.


Do you work for ccp or something? seems like everything is good as far as you're concerned even in places it clearly is not

Me work for CCP? Now that's a funny one. Considering I grief carebears most of the time I doubt they would take me.
That and if you check my forum posts you can see that I disagree with quite a few changes.

That aside they still are the best MMO devs out there.

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Royal Commandos
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-09-25 18:23:30 UTC
People I understand everyone has opinion Yes/No (Mostly NO as far as this thread evolves and I respect that), but please don't post just "No", add arguments why no, let's be civilized and not rage like teenage girls that don't like something.
Yolo
Unknown Nation
#26 - 2013-09-25 18:43:53 UTC
Royal Commandos wrote:
People I understand everyone has opinion Yes/No (Mostly NO as far as this thread evolves and I respect that), but please don't post just "No", add arguments why no, let's be civilized and not rage like teenage girls that don't like something.

No, how many players do you think will quit (like myself) when this happens and everyone and his mother is gaining skills 2, 5, 9, 25 times faster then we did?

This game would drop and die because soon.


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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#27 - 2013-09-25 18:50:02 UTC
plus raw sp is something that noobs tend to shoot for as they think that sp = proficiency when in actual fact player skill and tactical knowledge is much more important particularly early on.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Crasniya
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-09-25 18:51:25 UTC
Wapu Kashuken wrote:
No, no & a thousand times NO!

I can name several alliance-worth of people that will bio-mass their multi-year accounts and leave. Eve should never remotely come close to becoming pay-to-win (which is exactly what this will create).

You want a better character?... trudge thru the long training times OR buy a better one on the character bazaar.

(Did I mention NO?!?)


Okay, should be obvious, but let me point this out:

- You don't want this guy's idea because it's pay to win.
- You suggest he could BUY a better character.

You are demonstrating that the game IS pay to win, while suggesting that people would leave if it ever BECAME pay to win, even though clearly, it already is.

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Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-09-25 18:52:50 UTC
How is paying for a character through bazaar any different to paying for x2 skill points with a plex? EVE is already a pay to win game buy plex then buy a character skip 3 years of skilling up then buy plex get the ship and fittings of your choice. You say no but its already in the game. I think yes x2 skill point but only untill x amount of skill points, example 5mil max for new players only.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#30 - 2013-09-25 18:54:57 UTC
Jean-Paul Hutchinson wrote:
How is paying for a character through bazaar any different to paying for x2 skill points with a plex? EVE is already a pay to win game buy plex then buy a character skip 3 years of skilling up then buy plex get the ship and fittings of your choice. You say no but its already in the game. I think yes x2 skill point but only untill x amount of skill points, example 5mil max for new players only.


It is different because someone has had to spend months of training time creating a saleable character, selling such a character does not unbalance the game as you are only moving characters from one account to another in the game as opposed to inflating the numbers of highly skilled characters out there overnight.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
SOL Ranger
Imperial Armed Forces
#31 - 2013-09-25 19:49:58 UTC
Crasniya wrote:


You are demonstrating that the game IS pay to win, while suggesting that people would leave if it ever BECAME pay to win, even though clearly, it already is.


You will never convince them EVE already has obvious P2W elements, they are not capable of realising it, this is an old phenomenon which I will never understand; The reasoning for it is something with possibility of loss(as "but you can kill them") and someone actually trained something something something, so it's OK to immediately have the best stuff for IRL cash... because hey, someone trained the character and you can always get your ship destroyed, yeah no joke.


I do agree with the general consensus of adding(more) P2W elements would be highly detrimental to the game.

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Yolo
Unknown Nation
#32 - 2013-09-25 19:57:29 UTC
SOL Ranger wrote:
Crasniya wrote:


You are demonstrating that the game IS pay to win, while suggesting that people would leave if it ever BECAME pay to win, even though clearly, it already is.


You will never convince them EVE already has obvious P2W elements, they are not capable of realising it, this is an old phenomenon which I will never understand; The reasoning for it is something with possibility of loss(as "but you can kill them") and someone actually trained something something something, so it's OK to immediately have the best stuff for IRL cash... because hey, someone trained the character and you can always get your ship destroyed, yeah no joke.


I do agree with the general consensus of adding(more) P2W elements would be highly detrimental to the game.

In fact most pvp oriented players LIKE the P2W noobs with plex sponsored officer fits, because they drop epic loot.
Most of them are unable to play for **** anyway, trying to master years of Eve in a week or two with IRL Cash.

- since 2003, bitches
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