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save our rigs. ship balancing changes make riged ships worthless.

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Gilliana SilverDrill
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-09-24 01:13:29 UTC
i have a huge collection of ships expecialy my industrials and barges where the rebalancing has negated all the rigs i have installed on my ship. often the rigs cost many times what the hulls cost. i would like an option to unfit rigs from my ships without destroying the rigs so i can then sell the hulls and sell or use the rigs elseware.

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-24 01:27:16 UTC
I am sure that if you have been able to justify the cost of the rigs on your ships then the rigs have also paid for them selves and it is time to write them off.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#3 - 2013-09-24 06:04:04 UTC
Like I've said before; It's just ISK.

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-09-24 07:00:23 UTC
If you can't afford to replace the rigs, then you clearly can't afford to replace your ship. Which means you have broken this rule: Never fly what you can't afford to lose.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#5 - 2013-09-24 07:08:44 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I am sure that if you have been able to justify the cost of the rigs on your ships then the rigs have also paid for them selves and it is time to write them off.

Amortization, hell yeah.

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Wapu Kashuken
Serenity Rising LLC
Controlled Chaos
#6 - 2013-09-24 23:59:16 UTC
Wow... once again, I the ever-industrialist, have to say kwityerbichen!

Yes, CCP changed industrials... 4 THE BETTER! If you, like me, had Gallenty Industrial 5 for your Itty-5 then you now have various specialty holds up to 67.5k m3. Roughly 25km m3 more than the original.

So, either you have the regular hauler that still has a great cargo hold (same or more than before)

... or (and I suspect the next one is your case) ...

You have one of the specialty haulers that give you significantly more hauling (of a specific type) to be even more industrious.

Change the rigs, write off the expenditure. Haul more stuff for more isk and less hassle and... kwityerbichen. Can't see anyone having a pity-party for you on this one.
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#7 - 2013-09-25 00:38:04 UTC
Well removing a rig from a ship destroys it so maybe there could be an option to remove the ship from the rig, destroying the ship in the process but leaving the rig intact P

Seriously though just sell them on contract, someone will have a use for them somewhere even if it is just for comedy pvp.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-09-25 01:00:51 UTC
Gilliana SilverDrill wrote:
i have a huge collection of ships expecialy my industrials and barges where the rebalancing has negated all the rigs i have installed on my ship. often the rigs cost many times what the hulls cost. i would like an option to unfit rigs from my ships without destroying the rigs so i can then sell the hulls and sell or use the rigs elseware.



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Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2013-09-25 01:29:05 UTC
If you find rigs expensive now, imagine if they weren't destroyed.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Luc Chastot
#10 - 2013-09-25 04:34:35 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
If you find rigs expensive now, imagine if they weren't destroyed.

There would be so many on the market that they would probably be super cheap.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-25 10:26:07 UTC
Same thing happened back when they changed mining barges.

Cargoohold rigs on a mining barge became useless as the main cargohold was super-nerfed, and the rigs don't affect the orde hold.

The same now applies to industrials and their specialized bays.

I don't know what other rigs you'd be talking about, but these do seem like a specialized case.

Auto-Unfit all cargohold rigs on ships that have been given a specialized bay and had their main cargo nerfed to oblivion.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#12 - 2013-09-25 11:38:00 UTC
So you want a major fitting design to be changed just to amke life a bit easier for you. Stop moaning people get effected like this on every rebalance most people just get on ith it. Be happy theyve made indys more useful.
Tikitina
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-09-25 13:48:32 UTC
Gilliana SilverDrill wrote:
i have a huge collection of ships expecialy my industrials and barges where the rebalancing has negated all the rigs i have installed on my ship. often the rigs cost many times what the hulls cost. i would like an option to unfit rigs from my ships without destroying the rigs so i can then sell the hulls and sell or use the rigs elseware.



All of what you said is by design which is why in Eve the seemly best choice isn't always the best choice.

As in life, the only constant in Eve is change.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-09-25 17:53:05 UTC
The ability to unfit rigs for this is ********.
The idea of CCP doing a 1 time change to assets (much like they do when they refund ships lost due to their server issues) is fine IMO.

Yes, eve changes, and if your HML Drakes get nerfed, its not worth asking CCP for a SP refund (same with the change of the minmi dread change to an all gun design).

But for large changes, like going from BPO lottos to inventions, they make sure not to screw over people too much.
Imagine if they had changed BPOs to simple BPCs with a high copy number when they instituted invention.

Likewise, when you take nerf something by an order of magnitue, then perhaps a refund is in order.

No other hcange has been on the order of 10:1. Cargoholds that were in the thousands of m3 are now in the hundreds.

No other ship or rig has been rendered so useless by a change. Therefore I think this is a special case, and one should be able to do a 1 time petition for CCP to remove the cargohold rigs from a mining barge or industrial with a specialized bay.


Although I don't mind that much, and I only have 2 ships that I don't even use anymore (a hoarder, a hulk, T1 and not T2 rigs) affected by this change.
I can see how this is unfair to others who invested much more into those type of ships, and thats why I support the change.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2013-09-25 18:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Gilliana SilverDrill wrote:
i have a huge collection of ships expecialy my industrials and barges where the rebalancing has negated all the rigs i have installed on my ship. often the rigs cost many times what the hulls cost. i would like an option to unfit rigs from my ships without destroying the rigs so i can then sell the hulls and sell or use the rigs elseware.



Those were always sunk costs, move along.

Edit: To be clear, those costs were sunk even before the patch. Worrying about them is not rational. It is like worrying about the fact that you spilled milk yesterday when you go to buy milk today. Forget about it an move on.

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Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-09-25 19:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Orakkus
Gilliana SilverDrill wrote:
i have a huge collection of ships expecialy my industrials and barges where the rebalancing has negated all the rigs i have installed on my ship. often the rigs cost many times what the hulls cost. i would like an option to unfit rigs from my ships without destroying the rigs so i can then sell the hulls and sell or use the rigs elseware.


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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-25 21:14:39 UTC
If your ship's role has altered and your old rigs are no longer appropriate, have you tried filing a politely-worded petition asking a GM to remove them intact? It has worked for me in the past.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-25 22:02:55 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
If your ship's role has altered and your old rigs are no longer appropriate, have you tried filing a politely-worded petition asking a GM to remove them intact? It has worked for me in the past.

The thing is, the role has not changed they are still hauling ships. I could see this for instance the change for the navitas or Exequror.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.