Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Teckos, the term afk is a bit pointless since there is no real way to tell if a player will become active at any moment. The best term is "logged off" because that at least means something regarding the threat level. If any effort is made to deal with "being afk" it should not target cloakies only (to be fair). An auto-logoff after say 60 minutes without interacting with the client with either keyboard or mouse seems quite reasonable, effective, and meaningful.

If there is an auto-logoff, then all online pilots are at least a little active and no active players will be impacted, so it meets all three demands and you don't have to get a tremendous buff to striking your favorite targets without warning nor open the doors to probes scanning cloaked ships. And if you really have to ask how removing cloaked ships from local gives a tremendous advantage to the aggressor, just let me know and I'll try to spell it out for you in painful detail.

At least you are thinking about the bubble idea a little bit. You are right that the bubbles are ideally in place in advance. Keep in mind that I did say that you would need to figure out which kind of bubbles you would need. Dictor bubbles have their place and kind be very effective, but those bubbles are so short lived as to not be ideal for the tactics about which I was referencing. I also mentioned choosing the correct place, which is not likely to be at station as that will be noticed and reported and dealt with far before it achieves your desires. You are right that your conditions will not make much success, which means that more thought is needed. I love how much thought Eve requires of us; makes the challenge and rewards those who can rise to them. Now I could give out many more great "suggestions" for free, but I like to get paid for my work, so I'll leave the rest as an exercise for the pvp community. With those hints, you may figure out how my first suggestion can be extremely effective.

Added: Thanks, Vos. Sorry about the "wall of text." I usually like to condense things but I just didn't see how to do it. Sometimes it seems that when people are married to a perspective, they need someone to lead them through the fine details in order to understand. Like working through a mental block.

They only work if they are in place in advance. After the target has initiated warp it is way too late.

As for anchored bubbles, great. So, I come into system and wait for them to anchor and hope the PvE guy is a complete blithering moron and doesn't notice I'm in system via local and when that bubble goes up...then he initiates warp.

Jesus Andy...c'mon.

LOL. In a single sentence, you just equated an auto log-off with a local AND null pve buff AND ... showed a degree of partiality that just makes me go OMG WOW LOL OK. Now that level of efficiency is just beautiful enough to make any grown man cry. Good job there. At least we don't have to worry about any objectivity here. Thanks for that.

Teckos does have a point though, most tactics are thrown out the window with instant intel. Cause if they have half a brain as soon as you enter local and get bearings on anything they are aligning and getting ready for warp. You have no idea where they are warping to so even if you make a line for the station they may have warped elsewhere.

But that is why people cloak.

Roaming isn't about catching a ratter, it is about catching people travelling, maybe poking at an alliance long enough to elicit a response. If they do catch a ratter, great, but chances are that will almost always come up with nada.

edit: typing to fast, added 'almost'.

edit 2: And that is Andy's argument: roaming can kill ratters and miners. So Lord and I are responding to that. So maybe you should tell Andy he is in the wrong thread.

look up the kill boards PVE people die every day to roams, I know I have killed them, I do not need cloaks, we just rock in, scan as fast as possible and we rack up a PVE kill if lucky... if not slam any PVP ships who are sent to stop us. Don't understand why you cant?

pyramiding I know... but it was a response to your post... therefore part of this thread... but please answer, why cant you get a kill without AFK cyno cloaking? I can!

Let's look at this a different way.

PvE safety is established on one side, and demonstrated to be solid excepting for errors.

Cloaked safety is established on the other side, and demonstrated to be solid excepting for errors.

Balance. Flawed gameplay to some, but CCP established this as being balanced by deed, if not word.

Cloaked safety and / or gameplay is being limited on one side.

PvE play is....??

I was just having a little fun, being a bit sarcastic regarding your post to Lord Battlestar.

Yes, PvE pilots die, sometimes to roaming gangs. Not everyone doing PvE in null knows all the tricks. Some might be moving from one system to another--i.e. a point when they are particularly vulnerable, especially if they don't use a scout. Some are just unlucky and get scrammed by a rat at just the wrong time, some stuck on an asteroid. Some might have just started a new alignment point when that hostile enters systems and gets lucky with the anom/site they warped too. So yeah, seeing dead PvE ships is not surprising. Even if people were all very good, never travelled, and didn't have bad luck for rats and such, if there is still a small chance of catching them, you'd still see some people dying. So pointing to a KB and noting that some PvE ships die is like pointing to somebody suffering malnourishment in the U.S. then concluding that there is a problem with starvation in the U.S.

I have gone to the KBs and guess what, most exhumers, they die in high sec to suicide ganks or war decs. After that, wormholes. Last on the list, making up a small percentage of the exhumer kills are null sec, and of those quite a few have a ship that either fits a covert ops cloak (e.g. a force recon) or can (e.g. a strategic cruiser).